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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
Is anyone else here pretty shocked by many on the Left's support of Hamas after these attacks? I'm not talking Biden type people on the Left, but DSA type leftists who support "The Squad". They are more or less saying that Israel deserved this. I really don't understand how you can see a bunch of men slaughter innocent civilians at a music festival, kill innocent civilians just going about their day, capture women and children as hostages, and parade dead bodies around on trucks and upload it to social media and not have sympathy for Israelis. Yet these people are more or less saying Israel deserved this and the real victims of this will be Palestine.
I don't think this is a strawman either. If you go on reddit or Twitter you will see this sentiment. I guess this is the inevitable outcome of the oppressor/oppressed decolonize framework so many of them have adopted. This is pretty blackpilling for me because I would have thought an action like this could shake them out of their biased worldview, but this has actually seemed to do the opposite and make them hate Israel more. It's also pretty unfortunate we have to share a country with these kinds of people and they can vote. I'm not saying you need to love Israel and can't be critical of it, but what happened is to me pretty obviously evil and barbaric, and a lot of people are making excuses for it.
I’m less concerned with the younger ones or even the Harvard stuff. Sometimes it takes some time for people to hold multiple thoughts in opposition to themselves. Many find it difficult to have compassion for Palestines and then condemn them the next day.
Personally, I think Twitter is crushing it right now and this is basically true
I see plenty of takes on twitter about how the “all these bad things now” but I think it’s refreshing that even those I disagree with have a voice. And atleast for domestic US politics the lefties saying Israel deserved it will only help the causes I care about as it turns off normies.
One of the things I’ve changed my mind on the most is Trumps Wall. And I think it’s quickly becoming extremely probable. These attacks just further reinforce my belief that the west needs to get pickier with who they let in. So hopefully not just a wall but better enforcement and maybe getting rid of birth-right citizenship.
Hopefully the right stays pro-Israel and the Jews will start to vote red. I didn’t realize that the American Jewish population and Israeli Jewish population were so close in size and combined such a large portion of the total Jewish population. If the American right abandoned Israel it would face an legitimate risks of extinction as an ethnicity.
Not to mention an ethnostate where people are from somewhere (have a background, culture, familial relations) just doesn’t fit with globohomo ideology
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Is anyone else here pretty shocked by many on the Left's support of Hamas after these attacks? I'm not talking Biden type people on the Left, but DSA type leftists who support "The Squad". They are more or less saying that Israel deserved this. I really don't understand how you can see a bunch of men slaughter innocent civilians at a music festival, kill innocent civilians just going about their day, capture women and children as hostages, and parade dead bodies around on trucks and upload it to social media and not have sympathy for Israelis. Yet these people are more or less saying Israel deserved this and the real victims of this will be Palestine.
I don't think this is a strawman either. If you go on reddit or Twitter you will see this sentiment. I guess this is the inevitable outcome of the oppressor/oppressed decolonize framework so many of them have adopted. This is pretty blackpilling for me because I would have thought an action like this could shake them out of their biased worldview, but this has actually seemed to do the opposite and make them hate Israel more. It's also pretty unfortunate we have to share a country with these kinds of people and they can vote. I'm not saying you need to love Israel and can't be critical of it, but what happened is to me pretty obviously evil and barbaric, and a lot of people are making excuses for it.
I’m less concerned with the younger ones or even the Harvard stuff. Sometimes it takes some time for people to hold multiple thoughts in opposition to themselves. Many find it difficult to have compassion for Palestines and then condemn them the next day.
Personally, I think Twitter is crushing it right now and this is basically true
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1711601883893133772?s=46&t=aQ6ajj220jubjU7-o3SuWQ
I see plenty of takes on twitter about how the “all these bad things now” but I think it’s refreshing that even those I disagree with have a voice. And atleast for domestic US politics the lefties saying Israel deserved it will only help the causes I care about as it turns off normies.
One of the things I’ve changed my mind on the most is Trumps Wall. And I think it’s quickly becoming extremely probable. These attacks just further reinforce my belief that the west needs to get pickier with who they let in. So hopefully not just a wall but better enforcement and maybe getting rid of birth-right citizenship.
Hopefully the right stays pro-Israel and the Jews will start to vote red. I didn’t realize that the American Jewish population and Israeli Jewish population were so close in size and combined such a large portion of the total Jewish population. If the American right abandoned Israel it would face an legitimate risks of extinction as an ethnicity.
Not to mention an ethnostate where people are from somewhere (have a background, culture, familial relations) just doesn’t fit with globohomo ideology
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