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Israel-Gaza Megathread #1
This is a megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
This topic perhaps more than others is impossible to find good analysis of. Could some of you help me understand the arguments around something?
I routinely see people call Gaza "an open air prison". But...isnt' Egypt participating in this open air imprisonment? Egypt has a border with Gaza. If the Israelis are imprisoning the Gazans, then aren't the Egyptians doing the same thing?
And why would these two groups coordinate on this? Same question goes for: shutting of water/electricity. Why would Egypt help Israel with this? Why doesn't Egypt simply give the Gazans the water they need?
edit: I think my question was unclear here. I understand the obvious answers which are basically: Hamas/Gaza are terrorists. Of course Egypt doesn't want them. What I'm asking for is for somebody to steelman the liberal position that Gaza is an "open air prison" and that this is Israel's fault.
Are there international treaties that would in other instances require Israel to let any traffic cross it's borders with a nominally-independent Gaza? South Korea has a northern border that's even more fortified and doesn't get as much scrutiny. It's not like the average North Korean has free passage to China or Russia either. If a landlocked country decides to piss off it's neighbors, are they required to let any traffic through?
Gaza has a sea border, which does complicate the question, but also isn't generally recognized as an independent nation either.
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This topic perhaps more than others is impossible to find good analysis of. Could some of you help me understand the arguments around something?
I routinely see people call Gaza "an open air prison". But...isnt' Egypt participating in this open air imprisonment? Egypt has a border with Gaza. If the Israelis are imprisoning the Gazans, then aren't the Egyptians doing the same thing?
And why would these two groups coordinate on this? Same question goes for: shutting of water/electricity. Why would Egypt help Israel with this? Why doesn't Egypt simply give the Gazans the water they need?
edit: I think my question was unclear here. I understand the obvious answers which are basically: Hamas/Gaza are terrorists. Of course Egypt doesn't want them. What I'm asking for is for somebody to steelman the liberal position that Gaza is an "open air prison" and that this is Israel's fault.
Are there international treaties that would in other instances require Israel to let any traffic cross it's borders with a nominally-independent Gaza? South Korea has a northern border that's even more fortified and doesn't get as much scrutiny. It's not like the average North Korean has free passage to China or Russia either. If a landlocked country decides to piss off it's neighbors, are they required to let any traffic through?
Gaza has a sea border, which does complicate the question, but also isn't generally recognized as an independent nation either.
This is quite a pointless line of questioning in this matter when
We are not talking about a landlocked country that has bad relations with its neighbors.
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