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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
That the IDF released audio of Hamas operatives saying it was from Islamic Jihad, but the audio is clearly faked with bad Palestinian accents and crappy acting. Why do you think the IDF would release obviously doctored audio? Stupidity thinking that no one would call them on it? Rationally making the calculation their supporters would eat it up and it won't make their detractors any angrier than they are? That maybe it isn't actually faked and some Hamas operatives actually do just talk like that? But even to me, I don't speak a lick of Arabic, the tone of voices does sound like script reading and it felt very convenient how they described so much incriminating and explanatory information in a minute of conversation, like exposition from the beginning of a bad movie. Thoughts?
That the IDF released audio of Hamas operatives saying it was from Islamic Jihad, but the audio is clearly faked with bad Palestinian accents and crappy acting. Why do you think the IDF would release obviously doctored audio?
Pure hypothetical, say it is fake. Midwit PCM types? I see this all the time with lawyers, they throw everything including the kitchen sink. "Ok... that makes sense and that makes sense and that's pure bullshit." The court throws out the bullshit, but if it had snuck through instant win or padding the case.
Normal person: "You have established yourself as a liar, so I should toss out everything else you say."
Midwit lawyers/judges: "This is just a debate game, fair play."
Vast majority is "definitely not Israel". Then... but why did they crop the crater out of the photos?
The small crater is not cropped out of that photo. There are people standing between it and the camera; it's right where the road enters the parking area.
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Notes -
In regards to the recent hospital explosion, it's looking increasingly likely that Israel did not cause the explosion.
https://manifold.markets/MilfordHammerschmidt/did-the-idf-just-now-blow-up-a-hosp
I saw this however on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1714670858914894046?t=UcPxGEUM5ShnUpc8Hav3Vw&s=19
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714548529538953637?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1714548529538953637%7Ctwgr%5E4bbaa419eb9133e336435eb810800500af090537%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hindustantimes.com%2Fworld-news%2Fidf-shares-audio-of-hamas-allegedly-talking-about-rocket-that-hit-gaza-hospital-it-misfired-101697630817752.html
That the IDF released audio of Hamas operatives saying it was from Islamic Jihad, but the audio is clearly faked with bad Palestinian accents and crappy acting. Why do you think the IDF would release obviously doctored audio? Stupidity thinking that no one would call them on it? Rationally making the calculation their supporters would eat it up and it won't make their detractors any angrier than they are? That maybe it isn't actually faked and some Hamas operatives actually do just talk like that? But even to me, I don't speak a lick of Arabic, the tone of voices does sound like script reading and it felt very convenient how they described so much incriminating and explanatory information in a minute of conversation, like exposition from the beginning of a bad movie. Thoughts?
Pure hypothetical, say it is fake. Midwit PCM types? I see this all the time with lawyers, they throw everything including the kitchen sink. "Ok... that makes sense and that makes sense and that's pure bullshit." The court throws out the bullshit, but if it had snuck through instant win or padding the case.
Normal person: "You have established yourself as a liar, so I should toss out everything else you say."
Midwit lawyers/judges: "This is just a debate game, fair play."
Take this thread: https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1714535497958334678
Vast majority is "definitely not Israel". Then... but why did they crop the crater out of the photos? The Crater it seems clearly too small.
https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1714600473104404966
Midwit bureaucrat: "Let's pad just how much our enemies it was."
Perhaps another example is the 40 beheaded babies. Maybe it's 2 babies beheaded a dozen killed but just needed to make the story a bit more tragic.
The small crater is not cropped out of that photo. There are people standing between it and the camera; it's right where the road enters the parking area.
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The original report wasn’t 40 beheaded. The pro Palestinians reporters have transformed it into “they claim 40 beheaded and that was bs”
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