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This whole Israel-Palestine issue has made it even more clear than ever that politicians and many of the "elites" have literally no critical thinking skills or the ability to reason out one or two steps into the future. First there is the "Cease Fire People". It's understandable that people are upset seeing what is going on in Gaza with women and children, but what do they think a cease fire will accomplish? It is literally just kicking the can down the road again. Do they think Hamas will be more reasonable and someone people can negotiate with? If not, you are literally just allowing them to regroup and commit another terrorist attack that could destabilize the Middle East again in a few years. It's really that simple. If you want peace in the region, Hamas cannot be allowed to be in charge in Gaza. And if you asked the Egyptian government, they'd probably tell you the same thing since they just had their own issues wit the Muslim Brotherhood.
Then you have the people who think there will be peace if the Palestinians get their own state. Throwing out for a minute whether or not the Palestinians will attack Israel, the real question is how quickly they will start attacking each other an a civil war. We already know there was a Fatah–Hamas conflict recently, and why would they not fight each other again in a civil war that could very possibly be even worse than what's going on in Gaza? Looking at the neighboring countries, it's not exactly a place known for political stability.
I understand people seeing things on television that makes them sad and they just want it to stop. That's understandable. But has anyone in the State Department revolting against the Biden Administration for their stance on Israel given any reasonable plan for what comes next after a cease fire with Hamas? And I say this as someone who is not a Zionist or a huge fan of Israel.
Westerners just don't seem to be able to understand Muslim extremists. Hamas fighters are literally Islamists that can't be reasoned with. This should be obvious by now to everyone on planet earth after Al Qaeda and ISIS, but apparently some people still haven't learned this obvious fact. I don't know if it's because Westerners don't think that people could actually sincerely believe in their religion like that so they must be ACTUALLY motivated by something else (wrong, as their writings tell us), or their belief that inside everyone is a Westerner waiting to come out who supports gay marriage and diversity, a combination of this, or something else entirely. But if these people think that a cease fire with Hamas will lead to a long standing peace then they are delusional.
I don't know why you assume that current Israeli policy is the one most likely to achieve that goal. Israel could have leveraged the Hamas attack to get other actors to work together toward eliminating Hamas, but that opportunity is waning more and more with every civilian casualty in Gaza. And, even if Hamas is eliminated, the end result will probably be the creation of Hamas 2.0.
And let's not forget that current Israeli policy is at least in part based on what is best for the Netanyahu administration, not what is best for Israel. And many of the elites whom you criticize are very much aware of that.
Who? The US isn't going to go in there. Most of the other Arab states don't even recognize Israel. They are going to go in there and kill Palestinians on behalf of the Jews?
If they stay in power than Hamas 1.0 is already there.
That's a not very subtle dodge to the direct question of 'Who?'
Unfortunately for the Palestinians, conventional militaries able and willing to invade a terrorist state already entrenched in an urban warfare setting don't magically appear from wishing. The regional Arab states weren't going, nor were the Americans or the Europeans, nor are the Chinese, nor are the Indians, nor are the Russians, nor nor nor...
Of course there are other options. The preferred one by most regional and external observors was for the Israelis to not go in, and let Hamas 1.0 keep trying to kill them. It just wasn't an option the Israelis were going to choose.
I don’t know why you are talking about invasions in response to a post when I explicitly said I was referring to options other than invasion.
There are plenty of regional and international actors who would be happy to see Hamas eliminated. Egypt is an obvious one. Not to mention actors within Palestine. However, due to Netanyahu's choices, there were more on October 8 than now.
I know you were referring to options other than invasion. I just think you were exposing your lack of seriousness by doing so.
I am talking about invasions because Hamas already established what is functionally a revaunchist police state by literally throwing the previous regime off the roof and not facing notable civil resistance sense. It is not and was not going to be dislodged from political and civil control of the Gaza Strip absent military force, of which there was no viable domestic usurption base due to having shot or thrown the relevant competitors to their deaths, which leaves only external military intervention to seize control of the population and state aparatus that controls the population, meaning invasion.
While other international actors would have been happy to see Hamas eliminated, they notably weren't going to be doing it themselves, which brings back the direct question of 'who.'
Which you have still avoided answering.
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