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I recently stumbled on this LessWrong post about self-love that piqued my interest: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/BfTW9jmDzujYkhjAb/you-are-probably-underestimating-how-good-self-love-can-be
... I, like a lot of my peers, especially software folks, experience a lot of internal self-criticism and self-loathing. I would absolutely love to change this, but finding the right playbook for fundamentally changing your relationship with yourself is challenging, to put it lightly. I'm trying to figure out what an effective "30-days of self-love" would look like to go and change the direction of the ship.
Practices like metta or any of the other brahmaviharas are no panacea at all, as a lot of the western meditative footguns fundamentally block successful performance, particularly:
... that's not even mentioning the problems with certain courses (like Finder's course) and orgs (Dhamma Sukha, the TWIM camp, loves making false, and frankly delusional claims about their method).
I've tried therapy a couple times, but the expense is killer, and I have a lot of trouble with the whole "you need to do this for years or months to see any small tangible benefit" paradigm. In fact, a lot of the therapists I've seen seem like they're much more interested in keeping therapy going versus helping me and potentially losing my business. I've tried ACT/CBT/REBTs therapies, IFS, somatic therapy, and in our therapy-as-a-universal positive society tend to try again every several years, but I always get the ick from the experience every single time and eventually fizzle out. Last time I tried IFS, I did it for 9 months but couldn't say that any behavior was any different.
I honestly wonder whether, as an adult, it's possible for me to go and change something as fundamental as my relationship with myself, but if it is, I'd really love to go and try. I think others are much better at doing something without seeing the tangible benefits, I just can't go and do something every day without seeing some kind of improvement over weeks and months.
This is a lot of words and all quite complicated. In my experience it is a "simple" habit modification.
You have an established habit of negative self talk that has become second nature.
The first step is to just become more aware of this reflex.
Once you are aware of it, you can practice reframing or rephrasing, and talk to yourself like you would a friend.
And then you can stop yourself as you have the negative response
And then you just jump to the healthy response
Each step is building a habit, and like any habit requires a bit of effort and mindfulness to start with, but gets easier with time. It shouldn't take years, probably closer to a week or two for each stage. I probably isn't Nick Cammarata MDMA-fuelled self love, but is a good way of getting you out of these automatic negative thought patterns.
It's not really obvious to me that the latter is healthier than the former. Responding to all things with serene indifference seems like a pretty shitty and even self-centred way to proceed through life. I guess it's just part and parcel of the way that people tend to pathologize negative thoughts and negativity as being 'unhealthy'.
Plus, I personally find as a negative self-talker that acknowledging my negative self-talk reflexes just makes it worse. Now instead of thinking about whatever bad event set me off, I'm thinking about how stupid and irrational and unhealthy and undisciplined I am for engaging in negative self-talk.
Indifference isn't always a "healthy" response, but it can be. Every situation is different and there are many good and bad ways to think about each one.
I was going to mention this but didn't want to make things too complicated. You are allowed to have the negative self talk, but then you have to practice the rephrasing even if you don't feel it. Would you talk to your friend like that? How would you think about things if it was your friend and not you? And actually think it "out loud".
On negativity - I argue negativity is unhealthy. I know what you mean, it's no good thinking everything is great when it's not, but you can still maintain good vibes while acknowledging and fixing mistakes.
I don't really get the question. I'm not my own friend. For a start, I can't leave or abandon myself. I have to be nice to my friends, and besides, I picked them so I like them. I didn't pick myself.
At the same time, this means I can't really trust my friends to be honest about me. When they say I look good, that's just them being good friends. I actually know I look small, fat and weak. Whereas if a stranger online tells me that I'm weak, lazy and pathetic, that's probably because it's true.
Okay, you didn't pick yourself, but you're going to spend the rest of your life with yourself, so you might as well treat yourself right and be your own cheerleader. It is not being "honest" to be hyper-critical and beat yourself up all the time. It is not useful. It is a self-reinforcing bad habit. It is a cognitive distortion. It is a trapped prior. But there are other ways of being that are just as honest but far more energizing.
Is being my own uncritical cheerleader actually the right thing to do? I mean, ultimately if I wanted unconditional love, I have friends and family who care about me. And yet, despite their love, I am kind of a fuckup and a loser and not very happy with my life of no money, no bf, and hating my body. Clearly, love isn't all you need - at some point I needed discipline or criticism. And though that's my fault for rejecting or shying away from those things earlier in my life, but if people around me won't provide that or can't be trusted to do so or if I'm too brittle to accept criticism from others, I have to provide that for myself.
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