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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 25, 2023

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The current War of Northern Aggression "discourse" has brought to mind the top 100 first place greatest mistake in US state craft: not letting Burnen' Sherman just march back and forth for a couple years or finishing hardcore full reconstruction.

Every degenerate tendency in US Con. politics has originated directly from the South's special position as a rebellious territory that was allowed to maintain it's cultural legitimacy, or second order effect from it. Imagine the conservatives we could have in this country if the wellspring of the tendency was John Adams and the federalists; rather than Rutherford and the lost causers.

Wrapping up the entire holographic southern cultural package with opposition to Washington eg. the North, eg the technocratic, rich part of the country has led to a situation where Technocratic Tech-billionaire Technologists are shackled to the cultural traditions of south, either Cavalier hedonistic indulgence papered over with cheap aristocratic pretension lacking any of the actual cultural roots that european aristocrats have; or hill people proud ignorance and shiftless rebellion against anyone who might have gotten any of that big city 'lernin.

You can watch these tendencies poison Republican politics live all the time; it's why even though the Democratic party is jam packed full of passionless ossified corporate aphorism chat bots, when republicans have all three wings of the government they STILL can't get anything done. There is a deep state problem, but it's not the 'unelected bureaucrats' in washington, it's the decaying corpses of Jefferson Davis and Johnny Reb clinging on to conservatism's ankles and dragging it down into the mud.

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There is a deep state problem, but it's not the 'unelected bureaucrats' in washington, it's the decaying corpses of Jefferson Davis and Johnny Reb clinging on to conservatism's ankles and dragging it down into the mud.

Are you really saying FDR, the New Deal, the Civil Rights Revolution and the rise of the US managerialism is mostly due to.. the confederacy having been imperfectly dealt with?

It's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely puzzled.

Are you really saying FDR, the New Deal, the Civil Rights Revolution and the rise of the US managerialism is mostly due to.. the confederacy having been imperfectly dealt with?

I mean, at least one of them clearly is, but I rather suspect they're saying that no, they're simply not the problem. Or at least, they are not the problem with conservative politics. Rather, that the political and ideological culture of the south is a corruption in the heart of American conservatism.

However, this is @DBDr 's post, so I suppose they can speak for themself.

Rather, that the political and ideological culture of the south is a corruption in the heart of American conservatism.

Is it? Or is it more that conservatism worldwide is generally braindead. If anything British 'conservatives', who have not been influenced in the slightest by the Lost Cause seem even worse than US ones, and let us not even speak about European 'conservative' parties. All contemptible as far as I know. Actual RW parties (SD, AfD, Reconquista) that might halt the rot are all new radicals and have little 'conservative' pedigree.

The problem lies probably somewhere in that they want to 'conserve' what they grew up with, but as society keeps moving leftwards, so do they. They lack a coherent worldview or ideology.

All Western conservative movements are continuously affected by online discourse filled with American right-wing thought (some of it derived from the Southern variety of conservatism, or paleoconservatism in general), though, even when that though isn't in itself particularly suitable to the culture where it's imported to.

But to what degree? Of course there's some effect, but I'd be surprised if e.g. AfD leadership were routinely reading English texts.

I daresay that all European political party leaderships (at least in countries where excellent command of English is basically something that's expected from most academically trained people, presuming the leadership consists of such people) read English texts all the time, at least insofar as they have time to read anything. And anyway the activist class below them tends to spend a great deal of time on Twitter and other social medias, almost by definition being exposed to Anglo thought there.

I really doubt that e.g. Bjorn Hocke, or the lesbian who runs AfD or Zemmour read much English... I'll have to check.

Mind you, Alice Weidel speaks Mandarin and spent 6 yrs in China working for GS..

Are you really saying FDR, the New Deal

Not sure what he means by what he wrote but for what it's worth: 1932 US presidential election results by county.

Ofc South voted Democratic. Democrats were back then still yet segregationists. I'm not sure how much of a factor that was in enabling democrat presidencies.

But FDR's statism and a move towards the managerial state - was that inspired by the poor and undeveloped South, or rather by what was going on in Europe ?