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Gaashk
1d ago
I suppose I have less of an issue with citizens who have done bad things having to get shit jobs, since they're their home country's problem to deal with either way.
Still, I'm confident that our economic system is robust, and we'd figure something out if we had to. Would our houses be slightly worse? I don't know, since you didn't say what the jobs are, specifically. If it's roofers working in Phoenix when it's 120 out or something, maybe it would be more expensive and certain styles of roof would become less feasible, hard to say, it would be worth trying. Almost everyone used to work in agriculture and repair their own houses, I'm sure the current arrangement of turning everything into an assembly line isn't the only possible one.
urquan
Hold! What you are doing to us is wrong! Why do you do this thing?
1d ago
My girlfriend likes true crime — and it comes up even with the most vile, wicked people you can imagine. Lots of gesturing about how serial killers who raped women and or men and then tortured and killed them were that way because dad was an abusive drunk.
The idea that the abusive father and the killer son could have been that way because of their shared genetics and personality characteristics never seems to occur to anyone.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
1d ago
Those both involved a huge amount of death and destruction and both of those nations ended up surrendering
My back of the envelope calculation suggests Gaza is somewhere between the relative death tolls of Japan and Germany. I doubt Hamas is going to surrender if you kick them harder in the balls.
I guess the end state there is an impromptu group of civilians form and say that they're tired of getting bombed and that they will become the government and carry on the policing of their radicals, including any Hamas remnants, so that terrorist attacks stop happening.
This is simply impossible given the Palestinian psychological makeup. I don't even think the Israelis are banking on this. Happy to place bets on this not happening.
Was there a specific use-case for the highly strict clock synchronization?
High frequency trading. A single trade goes through many computers. And the even stream can be a fire hose at times. It's helpful for corroboration if the logs all agree on the exact time. Helps you be less embarrassed when regulators ask questions.
Computer timekeeping has always been a personal nemesis (NTP sync errors, RTCs failing, random clock drift, time being an hour off randomly due to strange bugs, Windows and Linux not playing nicely on a dual-boot system even when I beg windows to use UTC, there are so many problems) so it’s interesting to read about how complex it is to keep clocks in sync.
It's pretty awful. For awhile a lot of computers had broken clocks too that weren't even possible to discipline. And you can have substantial drift if your computers use different time sources. And maybe your computers will keep your rigorous time but networked appliances won't give a shit.
Every big tech company tends to have a shared internal doc outlining The Way they've handled time that's usually a fascinating archeological adventure.
fmac
Ask me about bike lanes
1d ago
Your enemy giving up and leaving is winning. It's a shitty way to win because you have 0 initative, but you still get what you want in the end.
fmac
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1d ago
You say this like we didn't just have the Afghan war, with the US military fighting dudes in pickup trucks and with AKs and jerry-rigged IEDs.
And the USA shit stomped them with an insane k/d ratio until they got bored and left. Dude's in cars with AKs are a nightmare but can't do much against a modern army.
How many people with AKs running around Boston would it take for the whole city to freak out and panic?
Not many, but I'm talking existential risk here, not "makes everything fucking awful for a week before dying"
fmac
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1d ago
Agreed.
I predict both sides will refuse to understand this and the cycle of violence will perpetuate for our lifetimes
fmac
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1d ago
No disagreement here. They could cause a lot of damage sure. Israel is crazy fragile.
But Israel has a lot of heavy gear. They'd win after a few days if they weren't worried about hostages (which in this scenario, they'd allow them to be collateral damage, I would)
fmac
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1d ago
Totally
I don't blame the Israeli people for being mad. I just don't think disproportionate violence is okay, even if provoked
I understand why everyone feels how they do, but as the peanut gallery I'm pointing and judging
fmac
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1d ago
I actually don't know a ton any them so I'd love to hear why?
Their air dominance over Iran was pretty gangster though. SEAD is not easy.
fmac
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1d ago
The Viet Cong didn't win, the Americans got tired of fighting and gave up
That is winning. It's a shitty unglamorous way to win, but they accomplished their objectives, and America did not. The Americans could have stuck around and stamped them into oblivion with unlimited political will, but they didn't have it, so they left.
Ergo, the Israelis have no choice but to continue fighting.
I agree but also don't. Money and political will aren't infinite, they'll have to pull back and scale down eventually. The only way this really ends-ends is genocide, and they can't do that, so they'll have to give up eventually.
hanikrummihundursvin
1d ago
As I've just said, the point wasn't about jews in particular but the phenomenon of outside population groups reaping the harvest and then leaving when it's time to till the field.
Some people feel like jews have a special case to plead regarding this, but I disagreed. Noting how many different people suffered in WW2, not just jews. Meaning jews don't have a special case to plead. You try to ignore this point by asking about jews in Germany, when in reality my point stands regardless of those particular circumstance, as the suffering of jews in Germany does not trump the suffering of Europeans elsewhere. Whose governments did plenty to get them into an early grave.
Not everyone is equally patriotic, not everyone shares the same understanding of what a nation is. But there is a very visceral line drawn in the sand that demonstrates that at some point you don't really qualify as a national. Or that your ideation of what a nation is was never serious beyond the self serving justifications of a parasite wanting to leech off it's host.
You claim I made arguments that jews aren't real citizens and that's just a lie. I made no claims in that direction whatsoever beyond stating that the jewish family that is hoarding passports reminds me of that visceral line drawn in the sand of brown fighting age immigrants fleeing Ukraine.
Maybe you feel the need to police any potentially negative connotation relating to jews, for whatever reason. Or maybe it's something else. But don't lie about what I've said or what I mean or try to drag the conversation into a direction that justifies your compulsion.
urquan
Hold! What you are doing to us is wrong! Why do you do this thing?
1d ago
I had a job once that required keeping clocks in sync between all of the computers in a company. For servers we decided clocks could drift only one millisecond, but for desktops we allowed up to 100ms. This required modifications to Windows because Microsoft only imposed one minute clock discipline at the time (only improving on this policy after 2016, which is probably not early enough for whatever piece of shit the jail installed).
Was there a specific use-case for the highly strict clock synchronization?
Also, thanks for the write-up. Computer timekeeping has always been a personal nemesis (NTP sync errors, RTCs failing, random clock drift, time being an hour off randomly due to strange bugs, Windows and Linux not playing nicely on a dual-boot system even when I beg windows to use UTC, there are so many problems) so it’s interesting to read about how complex it is to keep clocks in sync.
fmac
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1d ago
Yeah it's an absolute mess. At this point I honestly think both sides deserve each other. They've built an incredible human suffering machine and now they get to ask wallow in it.
I feel awful for the children though, they didn't choose this.
anti_dan
1d ago
Afghanistan is instructive only in the fact that it shows that weak occupations will not be successful. If you are arguing using Afghanistan as an example, the only logical argument is that Israel should be more brutal, allow in less aid, bomb every building they have credible intelligence houses a Hamas agent, etc, etc. In short, if you are referencing the failure of Afghanistan, the most logical argument vis-a-vis Israel becomes that the US should authorize total war, a blockade of all supplies, and a creeping artillery barrage until nothing is left.
If that is not what you think is a good idea, perhaps use some other example.
oats_son
1d ago
I believe the three options I listed are exhaustive, so I'm curious if you think there is a fourth that I missed or if you think one of the other two that I thought was impossible is actually possible. Or perhaps you think they are all impossible?
I can't think of a fourth option that wouldn't just kick the can down the road. The first two are technically possible, but not many people would opt for it, as it's basically a worst case scenario.
The Germans famously also wanted to kill (all?) Jews and now they perhaps kowtow excessively. Japan was raping Nanking and now they produce anime. It is possible for a foreign power to change culture, drastically.
Those both involved a huge amount of death and destruction and both of those nations ended up surrendering. If that's the solution we're going with, how much of a limited amount of your first option would you tolerate? Shooting people acquiring food is absolutely on the table for that one. I guess the end state there is an impromptu group of civilians form and say that they're tired of getting bombed and that they will become the government and carry on the policing of their radicals, including any Hamas remnants, so that terrorist attacks stop happening.
anti_dan
1d ago
So basically conflating events happening in 2 completely separate countries at this point.
aldomilyar
1d ago
Kneebar's pretty idiot proof but hard to get in the current meta.
SerialStateLineXer
1d ago
But what if you lose?
Would you rather be 95th percentile in Lesotho, or 40th percentile in America?
Revealed preference suggests that most people would rather "lose" in a wealthy country full of highly-skilled people than "win" in a third-world country run by incompetent people.
kky
1d ago
The argument from @Gaashk stands, I think. We didn’t need slaves in the northern states since the founding, in the west since the early 19th, and the south since the mid-19th. Suddenly in the late 20th we discover slavery to be a necessary institution for agricultural work that was heretofore done even by so cushy an ethnicity as the English. Construction, same deal. What has changed? Does nobody sense something wrong in the fact that the Land of the Free is suddenly regressing so far as to demand a permanent underclass? This is why I don’t trust any of the economic statements on this matter. The whole argument has no sense of history to it.
anti_dan
1d ago
Why are Gaza and West Bank non-viable? I am quite confident that if Gaza was repopulated with a bunch North Dakotans and West Bank with a bunch of South Dakotans both would quickly become prosperous countries.
Also, I am consistently confused by the "2 state solution" rhetoric (depicted in you post with the phrase "keeping them split"). The "Palestinian" territories are non-contiguous and have been for almost a century now. There is no good reason for them to be a united state! That stupid idea proved a failure with Pakistan and Burma and would be stupid in the current situation as well. When you talk about a 2 state, instead of 3 state, solution you make yourself seem unserious IMO.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
1d ago
You seriously exaggerate the ungovernability of India, your description fits Afghanistan better. Modi has a 75% approval rating. America is way more fractious.
In my opinion your hypothetical Raj would have to be significantly MORE brutal on the population than the current military operations conducted by Israel are to have any hope at success.
The key distinction is that a civilizing mission has an obvious aim that can guide decisionmaking. There is no obvious aim that drives Israeli decisionmaking right now except kicking the dog in the balls. It is entirely not obvious how this is supposed to lead to a long term solution.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
1d ago
I'm not sure if I'm missing something here. Has there ever been a method devised that starves everyone except for exclusively babies?
I admit I'm not an expert in siege tactics. However, one modest proposal might be to not order soldiers to fire on people trying to acquire food. That seems like the kind of thing that might cause starving babies on the margin.
From where I'm standing, that looks literally impossible.
I believe the three options I listed are exhaustive, so I'm curious if you think there is a fourth that I missed or if you think one of the other two that I thought was impossible is actually possible. Or perhaps you think they are all impossible?
Some dogs are just impossible and dangerous and they get put down, kind of a downer for this metaphor.
Indeed, but as the article suggests, there are people who have managed to train this particular dog.
You'd have to specify what that looks like instead of gesturing vaguely at it for me to take it seriously. How do you get from "kill all Jews which we hate with religious zealotry and take back the Holy Land which they stole from us 70 years ago" to "yeah 2 states are okay, I'm okay with giving up my important holy sites now"?
The Germans famously also wanted to kill (all?) Jews and now they perhaps kowtow excessively. Japan was raping Nanking and now they produce anime. It is possible for a foreign power to change culture, drastically.
Rov_Scam
1d ago
Westlaw and Nexis aren't going to include trial level cases that didn't result in published opinions; that's not really what it's for. The answer is that you have your paralegal look into it and prepare for disappointment. I wish I could just search my local court by subject so I could find a cheat sheet when I have to file something I've never filed before, but no such function exists. I could give you my process but it's useless unless you're concerned about cases filed in Allegheny County, and even then it involves looking at a lot of cases and requires access to back issues of the local legal journal. The fivver people were probably too embarrassed to tell you that your request was impossible to fulfill. DOJ usually issues press releases for convictions, so you could try looking there.
Relating to the Youtuber and his screw, if you have a trigger that can get stuck like that, even if unlikely, and it getting stuck means the gun is able to fire through pressure/manipulation on the slide, don't you then have a problem?
As for SIG, I was under the impression that the name was built on German quality that has now been eroded in the pursuit of profit. To that extent I don't think disliking SIG is bad insofar as liking SIG was ever good. Companies can change over time.
Beyond that it's hard to make a point about motivated reasoning when that's all most people have. It's not like the average person can make an independent quality control assessment of SIG products before making up their mind on what 500$ pistol to buy. You are always at the mercy of other peoples biases.
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