ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Kirk opposed the civil rights act. Motteposters may not consider that a far-right political view, but normies do.
If you just drop that little factoid and leave it at that, this might be true. When you explain why he opposes it it will probablynturn out that even a good chunk of liberals agree with him.
It's always then same story with these slogans.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
We can talk about cooling the rhetoric once the 2026 elections happen.
Of all the things to say... I don't suppose it crossd their kind this incident might have a negative impact on the coming elections?
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Maybe? Depends on the situation. This isn't something governed by codified rules.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Maybe younger people have had more chances of being exposed to it through Casa de Papel, but it's been floating around in general culture for a long time.
We're living in a time when cultural references in political discourse (what's left of it) consist of Star Wars, Harry Potter and Marvel movies. "Leftie academic types" were a core of my friend group, and none of them has hard the song in their life, before the show came out. The kinds of behavior you describe as the source of your knowledge of the song is so rare, I wouldn't be surprised if half your fiends had "von" in their last name.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Imagine that someone you really hated was randomly struck down by a freak bolt of lightning.
There's people where this sort of thing is understandable - Trump is obviously the avatar of Evil for a lot of people, so this would be expected - and cases where I think the humane reaction is to take a step back, and if you can't do that, it's time for a "are we the baddies" check.
Maybe I'd get annoyed if someone wanted to make a statue for Hasan Piker or something, but honestly, if we got through the beatifiction of St. Floyd, St.Kirk should be no skin off anyone's nose.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Maybe as a case of big fish small pond? I guearantee you most people never heard of it, and to the extent they did the chart I linked below speaks for itself.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
The lefties who are cheering for his death would not have seen him as a moderate,
This is the issue. Who is a moderate in the eyes of these people? If Kirk doesn't qualify, it means to most conservtive you can be, is a liberal.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
This so so boo outgroup I'm shocked it doesn't run afoul of the rules.
It's not, for the sme reason your post isn't.
Now the right is committed to glazing Kirk and any concept of the "Truth" is out the window, and the right wants to silence you when you speak up. The "moderate" lefties are probably doing the same exact thing the "moderate" righties were doing.
This makes no sense as a steelman. Kirk does not represent a a detraction from the truth so great, any concept ofbit goes out the window. Anyone who claims so would have to be even more diaguated by academia, the mainstream media, not to mention the heaps upon heaps of influencers they follow themselves.
They can't be disturbed by the silencing in principle, because that would require them to have a long track record of complaints against the much worse silencing done by the left.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Yeah, though it's almost certainly due to the TV show. Thanks for confirming alignment, though. It made sense, but I couldn't be sure there wasn't some Guy Fawkesaesque valance flip.
Yeah, this is starting to feel like an elaborate version of the mental gymnastics meme. I can get the "just because a lefty did it, that doesnt say anything about the broader left" reaction, but we're cycling through them and they're getting increasingly frantic.
And again I can understand that from a hard-leftist, but it's quite a bit more disturbing coming from the moderate ones.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
In addition to being a general Antifa thing Bella Ciao was used by the guy who attacked an ICE facility in 2019, as pointed out by Andy Ngo. So it's possible he took some inspiration from that, though it could just be generally popular enough in those circles that both referenced it.
The actual reference for the song is the Netflix series Money Heist (by which I mean: yes it comes from the Itallian partisans, but literally none of these people would know that, were it not for the series). It was wildly popular in Europe, and is about as apolitical as you can get when writing a story about breaking into the European Central Bank. I think some of the iconography might have adapted by some activists, and if I had to guess the side, it would be left, but I'm not sure on that.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
The only part of that statement I'd disagree with is "squish".
Anyway, what is even the point you're trying to make here? When people are talking about his views they're trying to say that he wasn't saying any crazy extremist "fighting words" shit, and that he was trying to persuade his opponents by means of civil debate. If that's so beyond the pale that it warrants cheering for his death, than what the hell is supposed to be an acceptable way of being a conservative and participating in politics?
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
As it turns out, the shooter in this case was a Trump supporter at one point (with donations to boot)
I thought that was deboonked (they got the wrong guy, and doxxed someone completely different in the process)?
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Yeah, I always hated these entrapment cases.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
He says that they talk about why the Civil Rights Act was a mistake once a week. He also confirms that he thinks MLK is a bad guy, which is also a radical view - the latest polling I could find indicates that 81% of Americans think that MLK had a positive impact on the country,
This is a pretty silly way of trying to paint him as a radical. Comparing a summary of his position to answers on a poll is a terrible measure of disagreement, and "I disagree" and "this is too radical" are two completely different things.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
I'm... really not sure what you're trying to prove with any of this.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Hey gramps, do you remember anything about this episode in history (the psychosurgery bit, not the trans bit)?
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
Because imageboard slang is incomprehensible to normies, and they're not going to follow you along as you try to explain it to them, while they will immediately understand "leftist shot right-winger". Trying to redirect the ire at gamers is going to come off as utter desperation. Like I said, I'm taking bets.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
You are not even proving that it's appropriate, just that it's understandable. Even then, since you made the claim that's it's a generally dumb rule, you have to show it's applicable to the average person. An extreme case does nothing to prove your position. If you said it's occasionally a dumb, then your argument would make some sense.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
I chose the examples I did because they illustrate there are cases where ~everyone agrees there are dead that it is fine to speak ill of.
You said it's a generally dumb rule. Extreme cases are very bad at proving generality, and I'm having a lot of trouble believing that you don't understand that.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
This can be spun into "radical far right killer 4chan tried to pin the blame on trans", and to an extent it will be. This is such a disaster.
Visceral video clip of a father of 2 getting shot in the throat vs "something something 4chan", I'm not seeing it, and if you are, you must be smoking something. I'm taking bets.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
There's a reason why you didn't use average people as examples originally, and it's because you know it would make your argument unconvicing.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
I think it a dumb norm generally.
Do you think we should avoid speaking ill of, even flattering, Jeffrey Epstein? Joseph Stalin? Mao Zedong? They are all dead!
You say it's generally a dumb norm, but to prove it you parade around some of the worst men who have ever lived? Sounds more like special pleading.
What if we replace them with unlikeable, but relatively average people? Should I avoid speaking ill of Destiny, Ethan Klein, or Hassan Piker, if they die? I think so.
ArjinFerman
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2mo ago
The Trump would-be assassination was pretty surreal too, particularly the "Fight! Fight! Fight!" bit. I sometimes tell my wife how the news doesn't feel real to me, how it's like flipping through a comic book, but Trump is acting all the time like he is in a comic book.
She was always an economic-left / cultural-righ type. I don't think her views changed much at all outside of coming to certain unflattering conclusions about the state of the contemporary left.
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