Botond173
1yr ago
What the linked article actually says:
The attack ended when a patron grabbed a handgun from the suspect and hit him with it, Colorado Springs Mayor John Suthers told The Associated Press. The person who hit the gunman had him pinned down when police arrived, Suthers said.
I find it a bit odd that while John Hajnal has a (concise but detailed) Wikipedia entry, but the Hajnal Line as a concept, in fact, does not, and instead redirects to an entry seemingly arbitrarily entitled "Western European marriage pattern", which appears to have been put together by leftist activists. This applies even more to the entry on Werner Conze, which it links to.
I also find it very odd that Hajnal has no entries in either German, Hungarian or Hebrew on Wikipedia, even though he was the son of Hungarian Jews who moved to Weimar Germany.
On a related note, I find it odd that nuptiality as such has no Wikipedia entry at all, and only has a very short and imprecise entry in online dictionaries. I'm no scholar, but as far as I know, the scientific definition of nuptiality as a concept in demographic studies is the rate of fertile women within a population. As such, the nuptiality rate and its projected change is absolutely crucial to the demographic future of any society.
Botond173
3mo ago
Good point. We might as well argue that "everybody wants clean, safe and efficient public transportation", "everybody wants mentally ill homeless violent drug addicts off the streets", and yet we know what the reality is on the ground.
Botond173
3mo ago
And the biggest lie told about all of this is that slut shaming is something done by men, especially bitter single men, although this has never been the case anywhere in the world.
Botond173
4mo ago
One can observe post-Soviet republics to see the long-term consequences of rather lopsided sex ratios which stem from the carnage of World War Two and endure to this day, although to a more limited extent. To give an overall picture, according to the Soviet census of 1959, the female:male ratio in the 35-50-yrs-old cohort was a whopping 7:4. (I’ve read this in a study of war economics during WW2, I can dig up the source if you want to but right now I can’t be bothered.)
It goes without saying that this leaves an advantageous mating market for men in general, but this has wide-ranging repercussions of its own. In such an environment, the usual life paths of men become relatively easy to follow: you finish your studies and then find a relatively OK job without difficulty (after all, employable men are scarce), you’ll also find a wife of your liking easily unless you’re physically/mentally disabled or affected by some rare illness.
Life becomes a routine more or less, and pathological male behaviors such as drunkenness, sloth, gambling etc., which have dire consequences in a society with a normal sex ratio, have more limited penalties in yours. This will mean many men, especially midwits, basically letting themselves go and turning into alcoholic morons, sloths, bums. It’s not wonder that complaining about men being drunkards, cheaters, couch potatoes, bad fucks etc. is a favorite pastime of Slavic women. Of course, one reason many of their men behave in such ways is because even in that state, women are willing to fuck them, for the simple reasons described above.
Botond173
5mo ago
Evo psych offers a simple explanation for this. For men with little or no status, engaging in high-risk, high-reward activities makes objective sense. For women in general, it's the opposite that make sense.
Botond173
7mo ago
Of course they lost every possible tactical battle (no recount, no trump, were shot to death on tv, persecuted, humiliated, brutalized)
It's actually even worse than that. Sometime not a long time ago, I think on the 20th anniversary of 9/11, George Bush Jr. gave a speech at the memorial site of the Flight 93 crash, and used that occasion to specifically condemn Ashli Babbit as a dangerous right-wing extremist terrorist, and with that she condemned and dishonored a woman who volunteered to the army after 9/11 because she wanted to answer his patriotic call to action. This means she was duped by, and driven into debt bondage by, and eventually shot dead by the Deep State, and she did all this in the belief that she was a patriot. This is where we're at. (I've heard this on a right-wing dissident podcast.)
Botond173
1yr ago
The reason things are broken is that older married women used to create the social context in which their children could get married and make grandbabies for them, but now they all have mostly completely useless jobs instead.
Some of them knew they were doing this, but most were just doing what they felt was expected of them. Mostly women do what they feel is expected of them. It's expected now that women have jobs. If they don't have a job, they need to be doing intensive childrearing or volunteer work. It's completely unacceptable for them to spend their afternoons playing bridge or touring each other's gardens or shopping for hats or any other ladylike pursuit.
But those apparently useless activities BUILT THE ENTIRE FREAKING SOCIAL WORLD. Just like a world of women would never invent anything useful, a world of men will never have a nice party. You meet your future spouse at a nice party that your mom nagged you into going to because her friend needs more people there. You have total plausible deniability about being there - you're not there cause you're lonely and desperate - you don't need game, you don't need the rules. The biddies took care of that for you. All you need to do is show up and be fertile/virile.
But middle-aged women can't do this, and have jobs, and take care of their elderly parents, and exercise, and worry about their husbands leaving them or have to take care of their children with no husband at all. Impossible.
https://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/11/comment-of-day-reader-explain-why-its.html?sm_au=iVVDWqmR7DsjnmB5M7BKNK07qH22M
You cannot outright ban one of the largest churches as well as the linguistic communities in your country and try to enter the Schengen area.
So I guess Latvia just risked getting thrown out? /s
Botond173
1yr ago
In my home country pf Sweden, 80% of all deadly shootings within criminal circles in the 1990s were solved, that figure has been lowered to around 25%
I assume that Swedish police are obviously used to their own traditional social milieu, which is atomized and modern, and perform policing accordingly, which also means that these policing methods will be useless against armed murderers originating from pre-modern immigrant communities based on tight extended family ties and applying their local version of Omerta.
Botond173
4mo ago
The last top-level comment (if that's the correct description) in last week's thread was a self-declared screed by @BahRamYou, which coincidentally reminded me of a short observation about the Ukraine made by @qqqq almost a year ago, which unfortunately generated no further discussion at all:
From a demographic point of view, it is much more interesting how a country with one of the lowest fertility in the world and a population of less than 40 million people will exist after at least 10 million people left it. (Most of which are women and most of them will not return). This will probably be the biggest gender imbalance in history. Will Ukraine declare itself the first incel state? Will it provoke insanely high levels of crime and suicide? It will be interesting to watch.
I thought about this a bit, and it occurs to me that the Ukrainian War is unlike other wars seen around the world since the beginning of this century because it indeed represents a sort of unfortunate perfect demographic storm, namely that 1) it affects a population that is relatively well acculturated into general Western norms of modernity 2) it is relatively close enough to Western welfare states to trigger a massive refugee wave 3) pretty much no control authority anywhere is trying to curb the flight of women, as opposed to the flight of men 4) the region affected is characterized by low fertility, even by European standards.
Based on what I know about the reality of sex differences, I'm sure the presence of large numbers of Ukrainian refugee women, I imagine a large portion of them young and single, in the EU has already generated high levels of resentment among local women, even if this is not visible in media reports. On the other hand, if the Ukraine, or at least large regions of it, has indeed become de facto incel land, which I imagine is indeed the case, I find it hilarious that, objectively speaking, this probably represents the first social realization of the scenario that average Western online feminists love to loudly complain about as a nightmarish dystopia to be avoided, namely a society plagued by enormous numbers of single, sexless and, one can imagine, bitter and traumatized, violent young men - and yet I'm sure you'll not see much or any discussion of this in feminist circles.
Botond173
5mo ago
You need to define what "worth a damn" means.
Not having to lie in bed for hours waiting for the Filipino nurse to come and wash you after soiling yourself. Not lying on the cold floor at an isolated part of the retirement home after accidentally tripping and falling, because nobody comes to help. Not going hungry all the time when you're so frail lying in bed that you cannot sit up and eat, because nobody helps out by feeding you. Not living in complete solitude and social isolation. I'm referring to this sort of stuff, just off the top of my head.
Botond173
6mo ago
Progressive women who come to hold this view usually don't do so until they're in their 30s, I assume, which is an important caveat here. With regard to progressive men, I'm sure the whole issue doesn't even occur to them unless they have younger sisters, or daughters.
Botond173
1yr ago
I'm sure we're already at a point where accurate, unbiased information on Gamergate was scrubbed from any public online platform where normies might find it. This is to be expected. It was one of the Manosphere bloggers (forgot who it was) who explained the simple rule that every ruling class in history has been interested in controlling and blocking the flow of information in society, whereas their opponents are interested in facilitating and unblocking it, because information is potentially disruptive and subversive.
Botond173
1yr ago
Thanks for the extensive write-up. This whole thing reminds me of the news stories about the children's mass grave* in Tuam, Ireland, and of supposed mass graves in Tulsa, Oklahoma where racist mass-murdering demons buried the victims of the 1921 "race massacre", or so we're told.
*See here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bon_Secours_Mother_and_Baby_Home
When I try looking at these affairs without bias and prejudice, I try putting myself in the shoes of the average Western middle-class suburban white normie NPC, and frankly I realize that, unless some heretic specifically makes an effort to educate me on this, I'll probably have zero understanding of the following hard facts about the bygone days of the West:
It was normal to bury people in unmarked (mass) pauper's graves if nobody claimed the corpse, or if the relatives were too poor to, or unwilling to, afford a proper burial. This, in fact, was not rare.
Back when national economies were yet too undeveloped to produce a surplus to be spent on, frankly, luxuries, there was exactly zero public support for spending tax money to improve the material conditions of single mothers so that they have the same prospects in life as wives.
(Milking the impregnators for child support wasn't an option either in most cases, because they were either dead, in jail, or too poor to be milked for money.)
Also, a society that poor is also unable to pay for lavishly equipped, professional, extensive police forces. This means extrajudicial punishment and mob justice was seen as normal and necessary by most people.
Stray dogs were normally killed off and their corpses were used for industrial purposes, because you could be sure absolutely nobody was going to contribute material resources to founding and running comfy dog shelters. (I know this has nothing to do with these 3 news scandals, but I included it because we know that white liberals just love dogs.)
Botond173
1yr ago
The Obama-era status-quo, which neither Trump nor Biden appeared to be particularly interested in changing, allowed Russia to comfortably maintain its control over the Crimea, the prime strategic reason it invaded/coup’d in 2014.
Maybe. But this isn't just about the Crimea.
Even if, sometime down the line, a future Ukrainian government made a serious pass at actually retaking Donetsk (or even more laughably, Crimea, which everyone had tacitly accepted was Russian), Russian forces could simply be bolstered on an ad-hoc basis.
Why do you assume it's necessarily laughable?
As far as I can tell, the Ukrainian army has been preparing, with NATO support, since the outbreak of the Donbass conflict for a best-case scenario that is essentially the copy of Operation Storm in 1995, when the Croatians, with US assistance, swiftly regained the territory of Krajina from Serbian control, in a successful military operation against an already weakened enemy in positions difficult to hold. This explains the preparations they have slowly but surely made since 2014, and - in my view - the very obvious reluctance they and their American supporters have shown to have the entire Donbass crisis resolved diplomatically one way or another, through a ceasefire or a creation of a DMZ, akin to Korea or Vietnam etc.
This isn't a pipe dream by any stretch. Putin was already old, with no successor either named or at least with a clear chance to succeed, ruling a demographically contracting, stagnant nation. Based on what we can conclude from Russian history, it has been entirely logical for years to assume that whoever succeeds Putin (assuming there's a peaceful transition of power in the first place) will be a weak-handed reformer whose economic policies ultimately fail (like those of Khrushchev or Gorbachev) while trying to ease tensions with NATO, which eventually make him look naive and weak. As far as I know, multiple historians have argued that the Russian state does traditionally have a significant weakness, namely that it's prone to collapse if central rule is weak, or is perceived to be weak, because the institutions of the state are themselves weak and lacking innate authority/legitimacy.
In other words, the Ukrainians simply needed to wait. Time was on their side. After all, can anyone picture a destabilized and economically collapsing Russian state, ruled by a reformer who is essentially a laughingstock, successfully mounting a military operation to repel a concentrated Ukrainian attack on the Donbass separatists? I think not. And if the Donbass folds, the Crimea is also very likely to follow.
This is the likely future scenario the Russian regime has been facing since 2014.
Botond173
4mo ago
When the Manosphere discussed the phenomenon of ‘divorce rape’, they didn’t just mean the issue of alimony payments, they also meant the ways child support payments are calculated, the way those are enforced, and the way child visitation rights are decided. Yes, I speak of that sphere in the past tense because I think it’s warranted, and yes, I’m aware that all of that can affect unmarried men as well, but I think it’s fair to say they mostly affect divorced men.
Botond173
8mo ago
Indeed. Just to provide one example off the top of my head, pencil lengtheners were routinely used in public education, especially primary schools, pretty much everywhere in the world until, say, the middle of the 20th century. Just think about it. Even though pencils were mass-produced as the cheapest writing instruments in existence, just buying the necessary number of pencils, even the cheapest ones, was considered by the average family an expense large enough that there was widespread demand for a dirt-cheap instrument that had no purpose other than lengthening the service life of a pencil. I's unfathomable when we look back to that.
Botond173
1yr ago
several people from the 2017 torch-light march in Charlottesville on the UVA campus are being charged with felonies on the basis of burning an object with an intent to intimidate
Objectively speaking, how many BLM-adjacent rioters could have been charged with that after 2020?
Botond173
1yr ago
The west fought a war against Iraq in 1991 to save the Gulf states.
It's a rather big stretch to include any state besides Kuwait in that statement.
Botond173
1yr ago
At some point we're going to have to come to terms with the fact that people will have to keep working much longer (or maybe that they ought to want to work longer).
That's not feasible though. It was pointed out multiple times on the old subreddit, and it bears repeating here: for most people, modern medicine and healthcare can extend lifespans, but usually not healthspans as well. Simply put, you as the average citizen may live 10 years longer than your grandparents, but you won't be able to work 10 more years (i.e. live 10 years longer in good health).
Plus, one of the complaints we usually hear about the shitty current job market is that applicants routinely get turned down on grounds that they are "too old".
When people make the argument that "you can have a fulfilling life in good health as a pensioner if you take good care of yourself", who they actually have in mind are the minority of people who have rare, marketable skills high in demand, get into really cushy jobs after graduation accordingly, always keep their skill set updated, and cleverly use their connections to shift from one cushy position into another in the same sector, until they eventually retire at, say, 70. But again, this path isn't open for the majority of people.
Botond173
1yr ago
If I owned Twitter, I wouldn’t let feminists, trans activists, or socialists post. Why should I? They’re wrong about everything and bad for society.
Huh? Them being wrong about everything is precisely the reason you shouldn't try silencing them. The only way to give them the rope to hang themselves with is to let them talk in from of common people, and reveal what they truly believe and want.
Botond173
1yr ago
Literally every scene that isn’t her fighting in a mecha is more of the above. The main character getting fucked over by her father. By the men in the military. By her lovers. By her copilot. It’s just not readable unless you’re the one being pandered to. She did take her book jacket photo wearing a cow onesie though, so that was pretty cool.
From the same site:
I’m a 20-something first-gen immigrant from small-town China who was raised by the Internet.
This explains most of this. Especially the last part, obviously.
I'm sure this is a recurring phenomenon. If you're from a culture that is more or less (so far) unaffected by the ongoing global Woke Cultural Revolution, and, as an angry Millennial, you decide that the traditions of your people are actually the source of all your personal misery and thus, although sustaining your ancestors through centuries, are worthy of erasure and oblivion, your most obvious option is to emigrate to the West and try outdoing even the local SJWs, logically using your immigrant background to basically promote yourself as some sort of heroic fugitive. I'm pretty sure you can find thousands, or God knows how many, such people from China, Russia, Central Europe etc. (I suppose it's a lot trickier to manage this if you're from Africa and/or a Muslim country, because any criticism of such cultures is potential grounds for cancellation.)
Also, I'm sure that getting treated badly by the men you sexually select, and then interpreting that as average and universal male behavior, is pretty much the usual life experience of the average liberal Millennial woman at this point. If you utterly lack the simple ability to elicit long-term commitment from men you find eligible, which is something most women have clearly mastered for hundreds of thousands of years, this is how you normally end up, which, in turn, means that such literature will resonate with you.
Botond173
1mo ago
I think the crux of it lies in the fact that a society wide ritual of real consequence to mark the transition from boy to man has been effectively eliminated.
It's funny that you say that, as I'm from Hungary and one of the lame-ass online habits of local Boomers is complaining that young men today are useless wimpy manchildren, as opposed to the good old days, when mandatory army service toughened them up, turned them into real men supposedly, taught them how to act etc. This is, of course, objectively hasn't been true pretty much anywhere in the world, at least not in the Cold War era, but was definitely untrue in the case of the Hungarian army, which was the lowest-quality, least efficient army in every aspect in the entire Warsaw Pact. So it's easy to laugh at these angry Boomers, and point out how they're mistaken and dumb, but I think their sentiment is valid and understandable. Service in the conscript army wasn't exactly a manhood initiation ritual in a real sense, but in a post-patriarchal, atomized society, there's no other established manhood inititation ritual available, at least not on a country-wide level, and it's a normal human sentiment to want one to be in place.
The farce that was the Trayvon Martin scandal and the media circus that accompanied it was definitely a sign of things to come. In retrospect, that is obvious, and the trend isn't abating. That was in early 2012. And I'm sure one thing fueling it was culture warriors following the story on their smartphones all the time and triggering themselves.
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