Botond173
1mo ago
“What troubles me is that a lot of thriving white millennial men have had to follow the Josh Hawley path, where you have to leave liberal America,” an old friend, the father of two biracial children, told me. “I don't want to do that. Liberal America is my home. But if everyone says, this is not the place for you, what are you supposed to do?”
Can anyone clarify this part please? I don't know who that Hawley guy is, and according to Wikipedia, he was never a liberal.
Botond173
1mo ago
Whatever arguments you want to make about the improvement in material conditions for young men over the past couple decades
Which are mostly BS anyway, if we want to be honest.
Botond173
1mo ago
They always said that they "wanted to start a national conversation about diversity."
This is a completely BS term just like the one about needing to start a "conversation about race [i.e. blackness]". What is promoted is not conversation but exhortation and secular evangelisation.
Botond173
1mo ago
Indeed. He claims that them merely making use of new opportunities available to them is their only role in this whole thing, which is clearly not the case.
Botond173
1mo ago
I remember when this sentiment was prevailing.I think it was mostly based on the recent memory of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, both of whom were willing to surrender (in effect) territories in exchange for (in effect) bribes. It was probably tempting to believe that some new version of them will step up and carry out a successful palace coup. People were also forgetting that an armed force that stumbles and bumbles may later actually learn and adapt. There was also wishful thinking that the Ukrainians will receive and learn to master Western wonder weapons that will sweep the orcs away.
Botond173
1mo ago
The whole reason "Some of my best friends are black" became a boomer-cringe punchline is that it was actually true for a lot of people! They did have black friends, and yet they also had racist opinions about blacks in general.
Why the past tense?
Botond173
1mo ago
One predictable perpetrator of this was Jimmy Kimmel during the manufactured outrage around the death of Cecil the Lion.
Hold up. Both the girls and the rioters in question were college students. How is that a case of sexual predation? I doubt rape was their intent.
Also, early Nazi and fascist groups usually formed among veterans of the world war; in other words, all of them were men and most of them were young. To state that they were disproportionately gay isn’t exactly saying much.
Botond173
1mo ago
Hold up. Both the girls and the rioters in question were college students. How is that a case of sexual predation?
Also, early nazi and fascist groups usually formed among veterans of the world war; in other words, all of them were men and most of them were young. To state that they were disproportionately gay isn’t exactly saying much.
Botond173
1mo ago
Well, in one case a woman simply surrenders to her prejudices and instincts. In the other case, an illegal immigrant would have to transform into an entirely different human through sweat and tears.
Botond173
1mo ago
There was also a rather banal and evident factor at play. In the old days the average young woman was either pregnant or caring for small children. Both situations render her vulnerable and dependent. For the man that is her provider, this makes Game unnecessary and for other men it makes it ineffective. Game is basically a modern response to female infertility.
Botond173
1mo ago
Scrambling an egg is technically a violent act because're breaking the egg first, acording to the dictionary definition of the word as well. Also, robbery necessarily entails at least the threat of violence. But anyway, my point is that illegal immigrants didn't appear by forcing their way in, and it's not like they're trying to stay by threatening violence either.
Botond173
1mo ago
https://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2012/12/who-killed-brandon-l-woodard-manhattan.html
https://theweek.com/articles/469437/why-anyone-commit-murder-during-day-midtown-manhattan
https://abcnews.go.com/US/killer-lay-wait-brandon-lincoln-woodard-shot-south/story?id=17929640
Unfortunately I misremembered; there was also a getaway driver assisting the hit, so the hitman used a car, not the subway. Either way, he was never found. The man who supposedly ordered the hit, on the other hand, was arrested and sentenced.
Botond173
1mo ago
A long time ago I was watching one of these "Top 5" true crime videos on Youtube. One of the discussed cases was the murder of some law student, as far as I can remember, in NYC. He was an associate of some local organized crime group and a drug runner between NYC and LA or something like that. For whatever reason they decided to whack him in a rather simple but effective manner. Apparently two assassins followed him around and waited for the moment when he was passing the entrance of a rather busy subway station. One guy called him on his cell phone for a made-up reason in order to distract him. As he was talking on the phone, the other guy shot him in the head and immediately left for the station. It happened in broad daylight and the killer was never caught. No eyewitnesses, no CCTV footage that was worth a damn as the suspect was wearing a hoodie, nothing. This happened in 2012 or so. So yes, it can be done.
Botond173
1mo ago
There are tens of millions of illegals in the United States, especially if one counts those present on legal but dubious pretense (previous amnesties, asylum, birth to an illegal migrant, etc.), which seems to be the bailey. A campaign to expel them all would be a monumental geopolitical undertaking, dwarfing anything in recent US memory (e.g., the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan). It would be a challenge even for Stalin.
It was Richard Spencer of all people who repeated his view on alt-right podcasts that anything that was done without violence can per definition be undone without violence as well. In other words, illegal immigrants entered the US due to incentives without force; change the incentives, and they will leave peacefully. You don't necessarily have to agree with him of course, but this argument surely has some legs to stand on.
As far as I remember what I read on now-defunct Red Pill sites about this matter, the general consensus was that importing a woman from the Third World to a Western environment that is suffused with feminism and thus subjecting her to that ideology is generally not advisable.
Botond173
1mo ago
I'm pretty sure that no, actually not one PUA ever promoted acts that legally count as fraud.
Botond173
1mo ago
It's important to differentiate trickery from fraud here. PUAs never promoted such illegal acts.
Botond173
1mo ago
Regular girls will whore themselves out for canned beans and coffee among ruins and during famine, which is a rather understandable and unsurprising state of affairs. If your argument is specifically about GIs making false marriage proposals then I have nothing to comment on, because you’d be hard-pressed to find any PUA guide anywhere that advises you to do such a thing.
Botond173
1mo ago
Stability and bright future of plenty of money/food as opposed to not starving to death. Got it.
Botond173
1mo ago
How does any of this equal paying for sex with canned beans and coffee in a famine?
Botond173
1mo ago
Thanks for the reply; I was about to make largely the same points but you were faster.
For the soldiers/conquistadors/pirates etc. taking advantage of their physical power, almost everything above holds true as well, just that the arrangement is usually less voluntary in nature.
The explanation is much more mundane, I think. "American soldier picking up young desperate girls in occupied Germany using chewing gum, can of beans and coffee"? Well, yeah. This was happening during a famine. Elaborate pick-up skills weren't exactly needed.
Rockstars? A very tiny minority of the male population. Nothing to conclude about it in particular. There will always be men who stand out of the crowd for whatever reason, and will thus command a disproportionate amount of female attention. Nothing new about it.
The yuppies, as far as I know, were also a strictly GenX phenomenon, by and large. No argument about that on my part.
PUA is based on the idea of a stranger seducting women entirely with social trickery.
I'd add two more caveats. PUA as a phenomenon specifically entails men codifying pick-up artistry and teaching it to other men.
This article reinforces one of the theses I encountered on Red Pill sites. Namely: if you elevate the relative social status of young hetero single men, it’ll incentivize them to pair-bond, marry and have children. Thus the marriage rate and the birthrate will grow, the average age of both men and women at first marriage will drop, and men will become more economically productive on average. This is what happened in the US after WW2, for example. If you do the opposite, you’ll get the opposite of all of this, which is what we’ve been seeing throughout the West for decades.
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