Botond173
4mo ago
Well, yes, I'm sure you'll not see any resentment expressed verbally and publicly, because it's hardly an issue normies are likely to complain about in such a social climate as the Finnish, or the German, for that matter. But logically speaking I just can't imagine that tension and resentment not being there at all.
Botond173
3mo ago
Men’s desires are more debatable, since a large part of the incel phenomenon is (as you correctly suggest) anguish that they’re not ‘chads’ rather than actual discontent with the dynamics of the wider system.
I'll reply in a separate comment because it's a subject that deserves more scrutiny.
Can you please explain why you keep repeating this ludicrous claim with no basis in reality? Have you ever even seen an incel in your life, either online or offline?
Botond173
4mo ago
What will be left of Ukraine after Russia and the West are done with their proxy war?
Something akin to Pakistan, which is also an impoverished, US-aligned, authoritarian de facto rump state without authentic nationhood, ideologically founded on the rejection of the cultural and historical origins of her own people. In fact, Pakistan's situation is actually better in that regard, because at least religiously they are markedly different from India.
Or look at a similar country, El Salvador, which was a US-backed military dictatorship torn asunder in a lengthy civil war. After everything was destroyed and shot to pieces, the generals responsible for it all moved to Miami, where they went on to live comfortable lives as rich pensioners.
Botond173
28d ago
Whenever the subject of feminist narratives comes up on this forum, one of the recurring arguments is that feminist messaging is ineffective, self-defeating even, the usual reason being given that it doesn’t reach the men it’s supposed to reach, and only reaches men who don’t need feminist messages in the first place because they’re pretty much acculturated in a feminist milieu anyway. (I know all this doesn’t necessarily sound fair or unbiased, but let’s ignore that for a moment.)
The most fitting example of this that is usually mentioned is the message that “we need to teach men not to rape”, which is supposedly a favorite of feminist activists on college campuses, corporate HR boards and elsewhere. Apparently they promote essentially the same idea as a great tool to combat sexual assault and harassment.
I don’t think I need to explain in detail why this argument sounds so dumb to the average man. Even when I come up with the most benevolent interpretation of this tactic that I can think of, it still seems misguided and, well, dumb. But then it occurred to me: the message makes 100% sense if we start from the assumption that modern feminists, eager to right cultural wrongs of the past that they perceive, really want to make sure their messaging never ever entails even a hint of the notion that women need to exercise any level of agency in order to avoid rape, assault or harassment of any type i.e. avoid bad men, because in all cases that would be “victim blaming” and horrific etc.
From that perspective, it all makes sense, sort of. Am I correct, or is there something else going on as well?
In another type of society ignoring your sexual desire and doing something else might be workable as a last resort, but in a modern welfare state it is for many reasons a humiliating and degrading proposal. It’s well-known that women (at least in Europe) receive far more money from the state through welfare, maternity care and health care than they pay in tax, and that means all tax-paying men inevitably support women with their hard work.
I'm sure Western societies are already close to the point where women pay more than 50% of all taxes.
EDIT: looking back I think it's easy to interpret this comment as feminist or pro-feminist. It was never intended as such.
Botond173
1mo ago
I suggest 'human biological determinism' as the alternative meaning of HBD. At least that's how I've seen it defined in the past.
Botond173
4mo ago
This begs the question of why, if you think the South needed to be exterminated, you also cannot countenance secession.
Because of the Sacred Blacks.
Botond173
7mo ago
First, his main target, John Podesta, isn't even the guy that owns any of the artwork he portrays as sick and demented. That would be Tony, his brother.
Is that even a meaningful difference?
Marry young(ish) to someone of good temperament, have a reasonable number of children (three or more), work a job you can somewhat stand, have some kind of spiritual life. Above all, tend to a dense circle of friends and family who you trust and who trust you, who live nearby and who you see often. Save a little money if you can. Try to do good by those who care about you.
Do you apply this to women as well?
EDIT: based on 2rafa's past comments about gender differences and the Red Pill that I've read here and on the old subreddit, I'm not convinced that she actually thinks that marrying young and having 3-4 children* is the recipe for fulfilment and happiness for young single women. On the other hand, I can totally see why she'd give that advice to this online community here, which is mostly composed of men. In other words, I can understand why she'd argue that this is sound advice for single men who want to fulfill their male sexual imperative in a way that benefits them long-term.
*Just to point out one thing: having three or more healthy children as a woman implies in the context of current society that you enter a long-term relationship with your future husband at 18-20 years of age and have your first child 2-4 years later, when you're convinced that the relationship is stable enough. Who would actually even give teenage girls such advice openly these days?
Botond173
7mo ago
The average 18 year old boy in modern secular France (for example) isn’t going to wait until marriage to have sex.
So in reality, the girl usually has to put out if she wants a relationship [that may lead to marriage]
Hold up. These are completely different scenarios. Why did you just move the goalposts?
Botond173
8mo ago
So I clicked on the link and took a look. I don't disagree with the findings of that study, but I think there's definitely some nuance warranted here.
If we define 'sexual predation/assault' according to 21st Century feminist terminology, then the cited research is definitely correct. After all, I think it's self evident that it's usually not low-status men who make - and, presumably, get away with - 'inapproriate' sexual advances, do sexual acts without specifically asking for consent etc.
However, if we use the word 'rape' in the original / based / non-normie sense of the word, i.e. rape-rape (h/t to Whoopi Goldberg), a brutal and violent act, then I think we're safe to say that low-status men are more likely to perpetrate it.
Botond173
5d ago
Somehow invading Moldova from a separatist region which is geographically akin to a leather belt in appearance, is landlocked, and bordered by Ukraine on the other side would be the mother of all pro-gamer moves, I guess.
Botond173
3mo ago
I was a regular Manosphere reader back when that scene existed and found most of their arguments compelling, no matter how cringey that sounds to most people. Based on what I’ve seen and read there and elsewhere, I think the idea that a significant chunk of married men in any modern feminized Western society of unrestrained hypergyny beat their wives and/or cheat on them is simply preposterous. The large majority of men aren’t even in a position to cheat. Either way, all of that aside, if domestic violence, cheating and similar behaviors (drug addiction etc.) were indeed the cause of most divorces, then logically about 40-50% of all divorces would be initiated by the husbands. But this isn’t the case, far from it.
Botond173
4mo ago
It reminds of that utterly lame-ass attempt by the McCain campaign in 2008 to attack Obama by bringing up his association with Bill Ayers, of all people. Very obviously it had to be a white dude in any case.
Botond173
6mo ago
People accused of Victim Blaming are often telling women not to dress in such and such a way, to go to such and such a place, to never drink to excess, to never trust a strange man, to never trust her boss, to never put herself in a position where a man might have leverage over her, at some point to never leave the house without male escort.
Except that this advice, no matter how well-intentioned, is entirely impractical in the context of the current mating marketplace where the usual course of action for many women is to compete with one another in pandering, or overtly promising to pander, to the sexual preferences of the top men. The sum of all this advice more or less amounts to telling women to voluntarily capitulate from the sexual rat race by avoiding any venue where sexually attractive men normally congregate and knowingly reducing her own attractiveness. It's no wonder that such advice is usually met with angry dismissal and obnoxious eye-rolling.
Botond173
7mo ago
Don't you think the argument that the average 18-yr-old girl in modern secular France has no power over the average boy his age is so obviously far-fetched that it basically belongs to fantasy land?
Botond173
8mo ago
Outside of elementary school, just what level of fat shaming (or maybe it's more accurate to talk about fat bullying) has ever existed in any Western society? I wonder. Also, how much of objectively existing fat shaming was/is directed at fat men specifically?
Botond173
9mo ago
The entire concept of pursuing a "pity fuck" contradicts the fundamentals of PU Artistry.
Botond173
11mo ago
In a society that isn't demographically imploding, young people either have children, or are in committed relationships which will produce children in the near future, so they don't have time and energy to invest into braindead stuff like K-Pop fandom.
Botond173
1mo ago
All of this is indeed true. It’s also true that, unlike in 1980 or 1990, this demographic is much less politically relevant, a relatively smaller group demographically, pretty much lost all cultural soft power and influence it ever had, and is destined to remain a reviled laughingstock of modern society, on the path to cultural-political extinction, like kulaks.
Botond173
4mo ago
To illustrate the difference, the Halychynan/Galician people indeed have a distinct national character different from the Russian. But Galicia does not equal the entire Ukrainian state, the very name of which simply denotes ‘borderland’, a geographical region, and not a nation. Any argument I’ve encountered from Ukrainian nationalists put forth as evidence of their authentic nationhood strikes me as retconning, LARPing or just fantasy. I cannot take seriously the notion that Ukrainians are the true descendants of Vikings / ancient Slavs / noble Cossacks warriors /whatever, also devoted supporters of LMBTQ rights, liberal democracy and White European unity, whereas the Moskal are a tartarized/turkized Ingrian horde. This is as fantastical as Pakistanis posturing as true Muslims and thus claiming to be a real nation as a result.
The current Western propaganda war regarding the Ukraine would sort of make sense if NATO and the EU were composed of white nationalist ethnostates. But the opposite is true, which makes the whole thing a gigantic farce.
Botond173
5mo ago
To identify the strongest evidence there is, I suggest going back to the comment that started this all: "There is an unstated (on the progressive side) premise among all people that casual sex is a bad deal for women and devalues or dishonors them in some way". The fact - and I think it's safe to treat this as fact at this point - that average, mainstream liberal women, and I imagine many of their male hangers-on as well share this view and are willing to voice it, although mostly anonymously - again, we're talking about average normies, not incels - says a lot.
No, you aren't crazy.
The most plausible explanation is that Hillary's campaign staffers in 2016, most of whom were probably single and childless cat ladies already caught up in the cycle of online feminist radicalization for years, convinced themselves that "Berniebros" (who actually never existed anywhere but the imagination of Hillary's propagandists and were simply a mirage), "Nazi" 4chan trolls and toxic male Trump supporters represent a worthy political target somehow, and thus convinced Hillary that it'd be a good idea to radicalize her own base by rallying against the "basket of deplorables". I imagine it wasn't her own idea actually, and most of this was simply about her staffers wanting to feel good about themselves.
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