Botond173
10hr ago
"Obtaining" is probably not the correct word. She's "obtaining" sex with the man whether she's enthusiastic or not, after all. That's not the relevant part. What I think is going on here is that hot women normally assume, for a good reason, that they have a strong mesmerizing effect on men. If she submits to a man's desire, she assumes that he'll be so overwhelmed with urge and longing that he'll be unable to think of anything else but taking her in hand and ravishing her. This has indeed been normally the case throughout history. It's just the typical female fantasy (heh) and the reason why "rape fantasies" exist. The idea that she'd need to proactively take additional steps to inflame his urges so as to ensure that he really wants her and that he's really enjoying it all is, frankly, not only alien but also degrading and demoralizing to her.
Botond173
10hr ago
To me, having sex with an unconscious woman would have pretty much zero appeal no matter how hot she is, and I have a hard time believing I'm some weird undersexed outlier. It's not even just about it being rape (which it obviously is), but it would also be like fucking a RealDoll, which I know some men do also but I have always thought has to be the absolute last refuge of the desperate and pathetic.
I’d add my 2 cents from a dudebro perspective.
If you’re a toxic shitty dudebro with a friend group of the same sort, you’re likely to regularly engage in acts that you basically consider to be pranks. Either you do this in a pair or in a group, or by yourself, but also in the latter case you’re mostly doing it to gain bragging rights and form memories with other shithead dudebros.
Some examples I can think of: acts of vandalism and theft typically associated with teenage delinquency. (Smashing up the mailbox of that neighbor you hate. Stealing a car while drunk, going on a joyride at night, abandoning it at some desolate place. Stealing and shoplifting for the hell of it.) Pulling pranks on your loser computer nerd classmates and bullying them. Getting blackout drunk and boning the town slut. Getting some loser broad drunk/drugged and spit-and-roasting her with your bro. Lying to some woman you picked up that you’ll use a rubber and then doing her bareback. Going on an exotic vacation and boning some whorey tourist girls. Picking up some fat girl who’s clearly desperate and without self-esteem, debasing her sexually (but still consensually, at least in the everyday normie sense of the word) and never calling her afterwards. Jizzing on your girlfriend’s hair even though you promised her you won’t do that. And boning some unconscious / passed-out girl.
The sole reason you’re engaging in any of this is so that you can brag and tell stories about it to your bros, have a good laugh about it and down another round of drinks, and forget about it until you bring it up again sometime later. It’s not that you’re proud about it; on some level you do realize that all of this is kind of wrong, and that you’d never do this to a woman you do care about, or you imagine you would care about. And it’s also assumed that you’ll embellish or simply make up some details. After all, it’s done for laughs, to have fun. Your bros know it, and you know that they do the same things, the embellishment included. It’s basically a male bonding ritual. And it’s not like sleazy women don’t have something similar anyway.
Botond173
1d ago
I remember the days when the mainstream media was whipping up interest in the supposedly important spectre of Islamist online radicalization. This was roughly between 2004 and 2015 or so. There were special reports, documentaries etc. Only later did I even come across the cool-headed observation that to the extent that Islamist radicalization even exists anywhere, it is largely happening offline.
Botond173
1d ago
Botond173
1d ago
I remember the days when the Rotherham grooming gang scandal was on the news for the first time (to an extent). Jezebel, which normally dissects the smallest and most trivial "outrages" of the last vestiges of patriarchal misogyny in multiple columns, posted one column about the entire subject, which consisted of nothing but repeating the official press release of the police.
They especially don't want to discuss the possibility that men from such demographics commit a disproportionate amount of sex crimes, and that there might be cultural reasons for this (as certainly seems to have been the case with the aforementioned grooming gangs scandal: I've read some articles claiming that, within Pakistani culture, a married Pakistani man raping a white British teenager who "dresses like a whore" is not even seen as adulterous).
It's simply an ingroup-vs-outgroup thing. I guess Islam plays into it somewhat but in the end it's fundamentally tribal. If the women of the outgroup signal any disrespect towards the moral code of the ingroup, they're fair game.
Botond173
1d ago
The audience members along with the other hosts immediately after hearing the details and the supposed reasoning for the mutilation (the husband had asked for a divorce) responded surprisingly by laughing.
I know it's an inappropriate remark to make on my side in this context, but I find this hilarious. You'd assume as a man that the thing that's incur women's wrath in this case would be him not wanting a divorce or refusing one (i.e. expecting the poor wife to just keep putting up with it). Damned if you do, damned if you don't, I guess.
With respect to Sharon Osbourne, I agree with you but I wouldn't draw that many conclusions. If you read up on her antics and controversies, I think you'll also find that she's generally an insufferable, aggressive twat. And The Talk has always been a lipstick feminist circlejerk, as far as I know.
And with respect to the Thai/Siamese story, I'd mention the Hungarian post-WW1 rural arsenic poisoning epidemic, which was more or less a similar phenomenon.
Botond173
3d ago
The term "active shooter" would imply the existence of "passive shooters", which is just dumb. I think we can simply call them spree killers.
Botond173
3d ago
I can also vaguely recall a commenter with that username but couldn't find it on Reddit.
Botond173
3d ago
At risk of stating the completely obvious, I think anti-woke / dissident rightist / based / race-fatigued white people would prefer that definitions clearly delineate gang/ghetto violence - which is mainly black-on-black / Hispanic-on-Hispanic, is heavily concentrated in a geographic sense, usually involves criminal or criminal-adjacent elements on both ends, often involves shootings with three or more victims, and is totally ignored by normie society in general - from "mass shootings" in the everyday normie sense of the word, to which none of these attributes apply.
Botond173
3d ago
Point 2 is how Stephen Yaxley-Lemmon (aka Tommy Robinson) was jailed for "reporting on grooming gangs" - he made podcasts (that would have been accessible to the jury) where he described the not-yet-convicted defendants as "Muslim child rapists" and continued to do so after receiving a suspended prison sentence for contempt of court.
So what difference would it have made had he described them as suspected Muslim child rapists?
Botond173
3d ago
The same student also claimed that a beer bottle was smashed into pieces on her face. Yeah. Or maybe not.
Botond173
3d ago
I've heard the interpretation that the accusers were afflicted by severe trauma from the Indian wars, which also seems to be an important cause.
Botond173
3d ago
Regarding low-tier work I reckon we have discussed it multiple times both here and on the subreddits, and for a good reason. I think it bears repeating here that lots of types of low-tier work that Western societies currently employ immigrants to perform was normally performed by high school or college students on weekends or nights or during the summer. It was sometime during the '90s that Western societies seemed to have collectively decided that prep school and after-school activities are a better use of the free time of sufficiently gifted high schoolers than working. And I do think that society did end up losing something significant with that.
Botond173
4d ago
Zoe Quinn allegedly sleeping around (which wasn't a review but her game was covered by the site)
Yeah, I remember her supporters were denying that such a review was ever published and obviously thought that this is a clever argument, but unsurprisingly it seems the truth is more nuanced.
Botond173
4d ago
I’ve read a detailed account of this a long time ago. Recalling from memory, originally this Watson woman briefly described the elevator incident in passing during a presentation she was delivering at another atheist event which was posted online, and another woman in this atheist subculture decided to argue against her accusations in a blog post, which in turn generated a cascading feminist backlash, which in turn elicited the Dear Muslima letter you mentioned. It was this latter event that drew mainstream media attention to this whole trainwreck.
This actually isn’t that self-evident in retrospect; in fact, I’ve seen the observation on the SSC subreddit once that it’s actually difficult to pinpoint the one decisive event which propelled the Gamergate scandal to mainstream exposure. Was it one of the blog posts? One of the youtube response videos? A tweet? It’s difficult to tell, especially because most of the first-hand sources related to Gamergate have been purged from the internet.
Anyway, this is all in the past by now. I think the most important facet of Elevatorgate is that everyone involved ended up escalating the scandal instead of trying to calm it down. First of all, it was Richard Dawkins who did the most to fan the flames instead of making all those involved cool down. I think it’s fair to hold this against him.
Botond173
5d ago
I reckon that most people having rotten/missing teeth was mostly a 19th Century and 20th Century phenomenon, driven by the new availability of cheap sugar. Medieval people consumed little to no sugar, so their teeth were generally healthy.
Botond173
5d ago
I used to hang out on those sites as well and it seems to me in retrospect that the Manosphere was already losing whatever relevance it had by the time Gamergate exploded. (It also happened at a time when the man/woman question itself was being shelved as a culture war issue as it was getting overshadowed by the race question. And whatever amount of energy was still present in the Manosphere in 2015, the Trump phenomenon quickly siphoned it off.) That scandal generally bewildered them because they didn't care for the gamer subculture, were either ignorant of it or looked down on it. I remember the cringy incident when a bunch of columnists of the Return of Kings site decided to launch a parallel gaming-focused website in order to publicly take a stand in the ongoing scandal. It fizzled out after a few months or so; it should have been clear from the beginning that these guys are putting on an act, as they never saw gamers as their allies, never cared for gaming as a whole and knew scarcely anything about it.
Botond173
5d ago
It's sort of a funny subject. Women will readily admit that they do desire casual sex as long as the circumstances are right. When pressed on the issue, they, just like men, will admit that they want to casually fuck only those whom they are not planning to marry. And this truth, for completely opposite reasons, makes both men and women angry.
Botond173
5d ago
I suggest delineating GG from Atheism+, as those were scandals that took place in different timeframes, with different opposing groups. But Atheism+ and Elevatorgate, for example, can safely be put into the same bucket.
Botond173
5d ago
Indeed. For example, she lied about having to move to a different apartment as a result of the dozens of death threats she supposedly received from evil sh*thead gamers, and she claimed this while streaming from her old apartment (the background was the same). I remember reading this on the SSC subreddit, where GG was somewhat extensively discussed on multiple occasions.
Botond173
5d ago
To add to OP's reply I think it's clear in retrospect that the social factors that propelled Gamergate to mainstream visibility had been brewing for a long time up until 2014. For one, online journalism had also been in a sorry state for a long time, one consequence being that those who were picking up PC game journalism as a job were increasingly urban liberal normies who originally dreamed about working for famous mainstream publications and felt that they had to settle for something much less as they lacked other options. They usually had an antipathy for gaming and gamers, especially hardcore male gamers. and basically resented the whole subculture that was now providing them with a meagre livelihood. Also, feminist culture warriors had been aware for a long time that unlike television, movies, literature and science fiction, PC gaming was 'off the reservation', not yet subjected to feminist influence and transformation, populated by many sexist failson dudebro fans yet unaffected by the culture war. The Blue Tribe in general was increasingly characterized by radicalization, desperation and bitterness during those times. The Tea Party happened, OWS seemed promising but puttered out, Obama was increasingly seen as a disappointment and a bummer by many leftists, the Dems lost seats during the 2010 and 2014 midterm elections.
Botond173
5d ago
I just want to add that the situation many newly married couples find themselves in nowadays, namely that they have nobody else in the practical sense assisting them with childcare, that this is a task the two of them need to manage on their own, day after day, is historically abnormal and definitely not sustainable as a social norm. It has not been the usual case in any society or any age in the past.
That bit was funny, I have to admit.
More options
Context Copy link