Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
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Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
12hr ago
What the hell kind of name is "Storm"
I know! But it's a genuine name, comes from Norwegian ancestry
I wonder did Tim Minchin know that?
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
18hr ago
once an ai makes a mistake, it stubbornly continues along that path
I don't think that that is a pattern peculiar to AI....
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
1d ago
Yes, and Israel acquired that territory via force of arms. If Israel can do it, why not Russia? If Israel can do it, why can't China do the same to Taiwan?
Because after the World Wars, we realised that industrial warfare was increasingly destructive and needed to be stopped. Undoing all previous land seizures would involve untangling a colossal rats'-nest of claims and counter-claims, many of which left few if any records; thus we drew a line in the sand at 1945: going forward, no nation would be allowed to take land from another by force of arms.
This left the question of European colonies, one of which was the British territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The United Nations passed a resolution dividing the territory into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an internationalised Jerusalem. The Jews were willing to accept this proposal; the Arabs rejected it, started a war intended to drive the Jews into the sea, and failed. (Had the Arabs accepted the proposal, there would be a Palestinian state consisting of the Gaza Strip extended northward along the coast to Ashdod and southward along the Egyptian border halfway to the Gulf of Aqaba, an expanded West Bank surrounding Jerusalem and connecting to Gaza at a quadripoint, an area on the northern coast and Lebanese border extending to Acre and Nazareth and connecting to the West Bank at a quadripoint, and an exclave at Jaffa. They would also have a slight majority of the land area north of the 31st parallel, south of which is the Negev desert.)
Of course! But you'd also have to launch mass prosecutions for anyone in the Israeli government who supported the illegal settlements or the military action in Gaza. You'd also have to take every single Israeli who supported the ethnic cleansing of Gaza or otherwise held racist views towards the Palestinians and put them through some re-education, but if there's real accountability and progress I'm confident you could have peace between the two populations.
So your proposal would involve both sides receiving remedial 'things they should have learned in kindergarten' lessons? You are at least more reasonable than the Ideology Which Refuses To Be Named....
I don't care about pre-1967 Israeli territory - why do you think that the perpetrators of the Deir Yassin massacre should be rewarded?
Because they didn't start the war.
I was under the impression that you're opposed to taking territory through violence!
If someone gains territory in a war that they started, that incentivises further aggression. If someone loses territory in a war that they started, however....
A single state solution definitively repudiates the idea that claiming territory via force of arms is acceptable.
Unfortunately, it also leaves the Jewish people, with their long history of persecutions and expulsions, a minority in every state in the world, and thus making their survival (at least in the age of modern passport and immigration controls) dependent on whether the Nations are feeling generous that day; the example of the MS St Louis makes that a non-starter.
If other countries were to open their borders, a one-state solution might become feasible.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
1d ago
I am referring to both the Golan Heights and the continued expansion of the Yellow line.
Both of which are outside of pre-1967 Israeli territory; the Green Line being the border of such with the West Bank and Gaza. Admittedly this doesn't address the Golan Heights; I apologise if I was less than clear.
a single-state solution with full democracy
As such a state would likely soon have an Arab population greater than its Jewish population, and as many of the Palestinian Arabs object to Jews existing as equals, I would judge a 'one-state solution' as being approximately as prudent as siting Doreen's Nursery next to Ed's Dingo Farm.
along with some denazification efforts/war-crime prosecutions
Of Hamas, right? (Padme, her face concerned!)
condemnations of wars of aggression for lebensraum that mysteriously pass over Israel
Do you know of any organisations condemning Israeli actions in Gaza/the West Bank/the Golan Heights who also explicitly reject Palestinian claims on pre-1967 Israeli territory? Such an organisation would have more credibility than one that equivocates whether, when they refer to 'occupied Palestine', they mean to include Tel Aviv, and has discovered no degree of anti-Semitism sufficient to draw a reaction of "You can't sit with us!".
it isn't wars of aggression that you're objecting to but some secret other motive
It's not secret; I believe everyone is entitled to my opinion. I would prefer that no clay be taken by force of arms; however, if that option is unavailable, and one side or the other must gain from the conflict, I would prefer that the side gaining territory be the side that was minding its own damn business.
If Alicestan is invaded by Bobesia,
Borders return to status quo ante > Alicestan takes land from Bobesia >>> Bobesia takes land from Alicestan.
Celestial-body-NOS
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1d ago
Anti-'Israel-expanding-beyond-the-Green-Line' or anti-'Israel-existing-at-all'?
If those favouring a two-state solution were to tell those advocating an Arab-Palestine-from-the-river-to-the-sea, like the gay rights movement told the pedophiles, "You can't sit with us!", I would regard them with more sympathy.
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2d ago
Thirty days hath September/April, June, and November/All the rest have thirty-one/Except Januarifebruary, which has seventy-eight.
Celestial-body-NOS
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2d ago
The acceptable false positive rate you're really looking for is the number of people who were accosted by ICE but weren't detained.
That would be closer to analogosity, but I don't think it quite reaches; someone hassled but not detained by ICE still has it worse, because of the implication.
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2d ago
I'd like to make it clear that I don't endorse this idea.
Thank you for that clarification.
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3d ago
Why do you figure they would not consider encouraging more wars of territorial expansion in their interest?
Because the damage from such conflicts tends to outweigh the value of the territory gained; thus everyone involved is less able to afford to buy goods from, and produce goods for sale to, everywhere else. A world in which countries regularly start wars over territory is one in which everyone is worse off.
but there at least doesn't seem to be a direct threat from it to anyone else in the EU
Twenty years ago, there didn't seem to be a threat to anyone else from Russia.
Fifty years ago, there didn't seem to be a threat to anyone else from Iran.
A century ago, no one thought China would be of any geopolitical significance.
If wars of territorial aggression become normalised, it is far from certain that the grandchildren of the current leadership will not regard their neighbours with envious eyes, and slowly and surely draw their plans against one another.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
3d ago
I still don't quite understand which parts of the European leadership genuinely consider Ukraine a core interest of theirs
Well, it's not so much Ukraine per se, but rather not encouraging more wars of territorial expansion.
That depends on whether you those implementing such a system are asking "How much can we afford to guarantee everyone as a minimum?" or "How little can we get away with guaranteeing everyone as a minimum?".
If they are asking the former, and increasing it as society produces more and automation advances, such that people can expect that the minimum 20-30 years from now will be less unpleasant, there might be statistically-significantly more than a snowball's chance in hell of it working.
If they are asking the latter, they will signal that you would let people starve to death if they thought they could get away with it, and it will not end well for them.
For this was the sin of thy sister Sodom: pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness were in her and her daughters; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. --Ezekiel 16:49
The men of Sodom had abundant creature comforts, with little toil, for themselves; but refused to share those benefits with their neighbours.
The mills of G-d grind slow, but they grind exceeding small.
Celestial-body-NOS
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4d ago
Why are the Jews trying to burn down and steal Patagonia in Argentina?
I strongly doubt that they are. However, let's suppose, as a thought experiment, that the claims given are correct.
The Jews tried to live in Europe. The people living in Europe did not agree to let them live there.
They tried to move to America. The people there let some of them in, but refused many others, and asserted the right to decide whether to allow them.
They moved to the Levant. The people living there started three wars, lost them, and have waged guerilla warfare ever since, attempting to drive them out. The Western chattering classes have expressed sympathy with the guerillas, calling for them to control 'from the river to the sea' and advocating 'globalising the intifada', thus implying that they do not consent to Jews living anywhere.
Therefore, if there is no location whose chattering-class-recognised population is willing to allow the Jewish people the unconditional right to live there, then the only possibility is for the Jewish people to establish a home for themselves against the wishes of the current inhabitants.
Where exactly would you have that be? Where should the Jewish people have the right to live, even if the people living there don't want them there, given that that condition also potentially applies to anywhere else?
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
9d ago
Some of those protesters may be operating under an 'ingroup good outgroup bad' mindset, but there is an ethically consistent schema fitting both of their beliefs.
The following exchange occurred regarding the recent ... unpleasantness ... in Venezuela:
Anonymous:
Getting mixed messages here about state sovereignty from the “borders shouldn’t exist” crowd
argumate:
Delta Force should be able to go wherever they like in the world as long as they don’t shoot anyone when they get there 😤
The same could be applied to 'ICE out of our neighborhood' protests; "They are welcome to live here, visit here, buy from shops here, apply for jobs here, but not come in and haul away our neighbours who were minding their own business."
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
9d ago
Who would you rather babysit your kid for a week—a randomly selected ICE agent or a randomly selected Somali migrant?
I'd have a lot more recourse if the migrant tried any funny business.... (This reasoning was also given by some women who chose the bear.)
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
9d ago
...this home surveillance...lacks pixels....
Is that...Bigfoot?
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
9d ago
...because the administration doesn't want to play or discard cards in their hand....
Which is exactly what has people so alarmed! They believe that the reason we're not currently rebuilding from World War Five right now is because, for the last eighty years, there has been a rule that military intervention for territorial gain should not be considered as an option.
That's why so many people support Ukraine, why the world came to the defence of Kuwait in 1990, and why anyone besides a few anti-Semites gives a rat's tuchus about the West Bank settlements.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
10d ago
If a country is a home and all citizens are roommates
Which is precisely the point on which the left disagrees! Not everyone believes that a country is analogous to a household!
Celestial-body-NOS
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10d ago
If you think one was an innocent martyr and the other got what she deserved, I would really like to hear the arguments for that.
The left's argument, as I understand it, can be summarised/paraphrased as follows:
"1. The belief that humans outside Our Tribe matter, just as much as those within, is Good.
"2. The belief that members of Our Tribe matter more than outsiders, thus weighing one of Us being robbed by an outsider worse than a myriad outsiders being tortured to death, is Evil.
"3. Renee Good, in opposing mass deportations, was advancing the cause of universal benevolence; therefore her actions were Good.
"4. Ashli Babbit, in attempting to forcibly overturn Mr Biden's election on behalf of Mr Trump, was advancing the cause of tribal chauvinism; therefore her actions were Evil.
"5. Actions done in the service of Good ought to receive more latitude than the same actions done in service of Evil."
I am less sure of the right-wing counterpart, but I suspect it would involve switching the alignment labels in 1-4, and possibly renaming the causes they were advancing.
And in Inuktitut it also has a dual form, Inuuk (one Inuk, two Inuuk, many Inuit); Greenlandic, also known as Kalaallisut, is the only member of the Inuit-Yup'ik-Aleut family not to have the dual form.
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
14d ago
The exact same shelf, immediately adjacent to the smut books, were three different editions of the Bible.
I wonder which book they were most often opened to....
Celestial-body-NOS
...nervous as a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
14d ago
It wasn't until years later that I saw that map again and did a double-take at the place names...
Celestial-body-NOS
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19d ago
the Soviet greengrocer who puts a sign in his window saying "workers of the world unite."
*Czechoslovakian greengrocer
Celestial-body-NOS
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19d ago
But ultimately consciousness and subjective experience don't matter.
They're the only thing that matters! In the absence of subjective experience, there is no way to define 'better'!
Outcomes matter.
Because they affect the subjective experience of consciousnesses.
Celestial-body-NOS
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1mo ago
Every so often, someone rediscovers the original position.
We would also have to reject the independence of India and most of Africa. Thus some concessions are made regarding the outlying non-self-governing territories of the European states.
I'm referring to the ideology commonly referred to its opponents as 'wokeness', or formerly as 'SJW', which believes, inter alia, that the Palestinians are Sacred Indigenous People Who By Definition Can Do No Wrong, and that the Israelis are Evil Colonisers To Whom Nothing Bad Has Ever Happened And Who Deserve Everything Bad That Happens To Them. (This ideology tends to reject, as described by Mr de Boer, any name applied to them.)
Your acknowledgement that the Palestinians as much as the Israelis need to learn to co-exist with people who aren't them would be quite rare in many universities.
I do not condone the killing of non-combatants, even if they are on the same side that started it. However, the Arab forces were not innocent in that regard.
Which is why, as a general principle, the best settlement is a return to status quo ante. Exceptions are made when that would leave someone without any territory.
Vladimir Putin, with the little green men in 2014 and the full-scale invasion in 2022, in the morning, at exactly 5 a. m.
The Taliban, by harbouring al-Qaida, and continuing to do so after the attacks of 11th September 2001.
The 'Islamic Resistance Movement' a. k. a. 'Hamas', 'Palestinian Islamic Jihad', and various other Palestinian groups, on 22nd Tishrei 5784 (7th October 2023).
But is that certain to remain the case? If it changes, and the Jews are no longer safe in America, where will they go then? What about those with less-than-immaculate pasts, or those who are likely to be unable to support themselves?
That is why the existence of a Jewish-majority state is seen as non-negotiable by so many. The events of the 1930s and 1940s made reliance on the good will of the Nations an extremely un-appealing proposition. (More information on this aspect can be found in the writings of Scott Aaronson.
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