Eetan
3mo ago
My experience has been that normie conservatives basically all hold that Hitler and Stalin were equally or near-equally bad, and that fascism and communism are equally bad.
Yes, normie cons always held this view, and now normie libs hold it too (even more so due to current events in Eastern Europe).
On the left people will absolutely argue that communism is good
"left" as online people with hammer and sickle (and often rainbow, trans and Palestine flags), not as anyone remotely close to respectability.
occasionally you get someone who will argue that Stalin, while very bad, wasn't as bad as Hitler
Yes, this is the other mainstream respectable academic view. The 50's are over, you will not any more find Stalin's admirers in the academia and respectable professions(excepting Grover Furr)
Including professed Marxists like Zizek, here is his take on difference between Stalinism and Nazism
(most people would see killer who forces you to bow before him and lick his boots before he kills you as not lesser evil than ordinary killer who just does the deed withou any ceremony, but YMMV)
Eetan
3mo ago
Yes. Great power should be able to easily overrun small shithole country in three day special operation (and then get bored by decades of guerilla warfare and go home).
The implications of late Eastern European events are:
Either Russia is shithole country too or Ukraine is Great Power too.
Eetan
3mo ago
Those who could fled the country
"Laptop class" from big cities with passports and money, and large numbers of them since then returned, when they were less than welcomed in the West and their cash ran out. Thank NAFO types, well done.
Eetan
3mo ago
Mainstream? As in, I'll turn on CNN and see it?
When respected university press publishes book by Germar Rudolf, respected reviewers call it "stunning work" "scholarship of the highest calibre" "book that enduringly changes what we see" and the book is awarded many prestigious prizes, you could say that Holocaust revisionism had gone mainstream.
Eetan
3mo ago
There are extremely few Joe Sixpacks in the US, even among the otherwise immigration skeptical, who don't think that Middle Eastern Christians should be allowed to move here
This thread originated with claim that "Christians are the most persecuted group in the world", not only Middle East.
Would be Joe Sixpack happy with new Latino, African, Indian and Chinese Christian neighbors? According to web page cited elsewhere in this thread, number of persecuted Christians in the world is about 380 million (and it will vastly increase when it becomes known that being persecuted Christian is a guaranteed ticket to the land of freedom).
weed out Muslims pretending to be Christian for nefarious purposes.
Nothing "nefarious" in trying to escape dirt poor and war ravaged place, and how would you indeed find out, of millions of asylum claimants, whose faith in Christ is genuine? Bible knowledge tests? Polygraph examinations? Brain scans?
Eetan
3mo ago
No one even slightly mainstream questions that America in WW2 was good guy.
If "WW2 revisionism" means the idea that the major combatants, Nazis and Soviet, were just about equally bad (Nazis 100% and Soviets 99,9% evil), it is not universal point of view, but, by now, common one that can be published in mainstream academic press.
The implications are now just starting to percolate into mainstream debate, and the question "Was it right choice for High Elves to join fight between Orcs and Ogres, and if so, on whose side? is now open.
Eetan
3mo ago
I had no idea who Ian Carroll was
Someone with 1,2 M Xitter followers is not exactly nobody.
Here is his Xitter and his Youtube channel
Eetan
3mo ago
This is one of the drawbacks of a purely spiritual religion that isn’t concerned with genetic ties.
This is drawback of being world religion with billions of adherents. If you really tried to "defend" every persecuted Christian everywhere, you would find yourself in perpetual Iraq style quagmires all over the world (which would be rather suboptimal situation even for world's first super power).
Eetan
3mo ago
how evacuating Crimea results in Russia collapsing.
Losing Crimea implies total destruction of Russian army as organized force, and this definitely means, if not Russia collapsing, Putin's system collapsing, with unpleasant results for Putin (and his friends who fail to swith sides early enough).
What, in this scenario, comes after Putin is debatable.
Eetan
3mo ago
If there was a large Jewish community being slaughtered in Syria, Israel would defend them militarily and they’d be right to do it. Christians get slaughtered anywhere in the world and Christian countries actively ignore it and really couldn’t care less. Why would people want to join a faith whose followers can’t be bothered to stand up for each other?
There was large Jewish community in Syria.
It left, mostly to Israel. Israel is defending persecuted Jews by giving them asylum.
By analogy, does Tucker Carlson supports open borders for Christians? Does he advocate that any Christian in the world should be let into United States?
Eetan
3mo ago
The hypothetical scenario is "imagine you live in country organized on racial principle, where master race is in charge, and you are not the "master race", the hypothetical question is: "how big hike in living standards would you accept in exchange for perpetual subservience (for you and all of your descendants)?"
Eetan
3mo ago
If you want better (but even more provocative and inflammatory) analogy, here is it.
Imagine the world looks as it is, except there is one large country looking like something from far future (Star Trek future, not Mad Max future).
In this land, ordinary menial laborer has big house affordable elsewhere only to millionaires, flying car and personal holodeck entertainment. Even basic health care can treat nearly all illnesses and diseases, including old age. The land is orderly, crime and violence is something unheard of.
What country is it?
It is Israel. Great Messianic Kingdom of Israel from Nile to Euphrates. It is Jewish land, but Gentiles can live there if they know their place.
As Gentile laborer, you live in Gentile community, travel to work and back in your flying car on specially designated Gentile flight tracks, and have to obey and defer to your Jewish bosses. While you have mansion and flying car, every Jew has Versailles sized estate and personal starship. And this is how it always will be. You and your children will be always laborers, will never rise up above their station. This is how G-d wills it.
Will you sign up for this deal?
Alternatively, if the Messiah decides to add country where you live to the Kingdom and bring the Messianic Order there too, will you fight, protest or welcome your G-d ordained overlords?
Eetan
3mo ago
In this thought experiment, how do you square 'unprecedented GDP growth' with 'ten bucks per hour'?
In this thought experiment, the growth is unprecedented compared to other white countries. Compared to rich blacks who live in big houses, drive big cars and sit in comfy offices doing nothing, your life of menial labor is rather miserable, always had been and always will be.
Eetan
3mo ago
Add some context to this hypothetical scenario:
1/There is whole huge continent out there, that is 99.9% white with whites in power, with numerous countries, and most of them are infernal hellholes of starvation, plague and war with absolutely nothing resembling any "civil" or "human" rights.
2/ You do not know it, and if someone told you, you would refuse to believe him. You believe that all wealth of the country was created by white laborers working for ten bucks a hour, and if the black bloodsuckers exploiting you went away, you will be fabulously rich and live like people in Hollywood movies.
Eetan
3mo ago
Eetan
3mo ago
Now I wouldn't be shocked if someone in Vance's or Elon's inner circle was on here, in which case we'd actually get monitored.
Since Elon seems to get all his news from 4chan and xitter shitposters, not some elite ninja research team, I would be shocked if it was the case.
Eetan
3mo ago
I’d assume some basic competence in mapping influence networks.
On whose side?
Mossad certainly.
CIA-FBI-NSA? Possibly.
FSB-GRU? Press D for doubt. Maybe some early Millenial working for FSB heard about big Yud and read HPMOR , but he is not making policy, he is working for Xer boss who is working for Boomer top boss.
Eetan
3mo ago
To organize, train and arm 200k people would be effort taking lots of time and money, this would be definitely noticed and nipped in the bud long before even by much more incompetent regime than Qatar or UAE.
Eetan
9mo ago
or is the ritual more important than the message?
Always had been.
Church Latin is not language spoken of streets of first and second century Rome. It is much older, it is formal ritual religious language used in Roman worship long before Christianity.
Christians saw no problem in appropriating this pagan language to worship Christ, just as later, when they had power to do it, eagerly reused old pagan temples as churches.
See work of Christine Mohrmann
Of course, this is historical detail you will learn only on obscure traditional Catholic places, because it torpedoes the whole purpose of Second Vatican council. The liturgy was never meant to be "vernacular", comprehensible to the ordinary plebs.
Eetan
10mo ago
Well, the religious would argue that war, law enforcement and capital punishment are endorsed by the Bible, but euthanasia had no scriptural precedent, except perhaps case of Abimelech.
Eetan
10mo ago
why not some volunteer brigades.
There are already volunteer brigades, with no earth-shattering results.
And once the coffins sent back home start being Western Europeeans and Americans,
As long as in the coffins are professional mercenaries who signed for the job, no big deal.
Eetan
10mo ago
'the political structure founded after the War of Independence and the constitution's ratification'
Is long dead. US of 2020's has less in common with US of 1790's than USSR of 1980's had with Russian Empire of 1750's.
But if we define it as 'the Global American Empire's globohomo Deep State as it exists in 2024', the situation is pretty much the opposite.
Yes. The Elite Human Capital overwhelmingly supports GAE, both ideology(as far as we can talk about one) and practice.
Why shouldn't they? The system works for them, life of EHC is as good as it could be. Exact opposite of Soviet elite, who knew they were miserable beggars compared to their Western counterparts.
Open defections are so far rare. The peasants are getting more restive, but what can you expect from dumb rednecks.
This is more like USSR in 1930's, not in 1980's (of course, modern EHC is far from Bolshevik party hardened in revolution and civil war).
Eetan
10mo ago
The Party is means to the end, means to promote the Idea.
If you believe in the Idea and the Party fails, does it mean that the Idea were false and worthless? No, it means that it was weak, that it needs to be cleansed and purged from weaklings and traitors, or abolished and replaced with something better. If the masses reject the Idea, it means that they are dumb ignorant rednecks who need to be put in their place.
And the Elite Human Capital believers in Idea are as strong as ever before (it helps that modern Idea is rather incoherent grab bag of various contradictory things instead of perfectly logically consistent science of Marxism-Leninism).
Eetan
10mo ago
Since Iran could not protect its borders, yes Iranian borders do not matter.
When China starts openly sabotaging American military infrastructure and assassinating people on American soil with impunity, it would be clear that US superpower days are over and it is now just ordinary third world shithole country.
Good question.
To steelman it in proper hardcore IR realist style, it is about (Blue)American Empire acquiring permanent class of supporters, collaborators and fifth columnists world wide.
What were German minorities for Third Reich, what were Communist sympathizers for Soviet Union, LGBTQ+ are for Global Rule Based Order. And unlike these, they are permanent presence. You can get rid of ethnic minority, you can get rid even of ideological/religious minority if you are willing to get dirty, but LGBTQ+ are born every day. Even most hard core regimes would balk at gulaging/executing 5% of population in every generation, for forever.
Yes, this sucks if you are LGBTQ+ (or suspected to be one) in unfriendly territory, but it rocks if you are GAE.
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