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I'm serious.


				

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BANNED USER: Angry troll looking for a fight

GematriaUnlimited

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I'm serious.


					

User ID: 267

Banned by: @Amadan

I left because I was tired of being downvoted for expressing doubt about Trump. There is groupthink here and it's not necessarily good.

  • -11

Most Republicans don't believe climate change is a problem at all, your optimism is incoherent

One of the criticisms that stuck with me early on in Trump's presidency, don't know who said it, was that by embracing a politician whose action deliberately enraged the 'other side', we were furthering division in this country. I think that was undeniably true, and it was undeniably the sort of thing any proper conservative party should understand.

You have no understanding of why Democrats are in shrill hysterics after a mob ransacked a building of our federal government? In reality it was a sad selfie party but don't let that make it impossible to understand why Democrats think the way they do.

But you've been tolerating corruption like this the entire time. The system is so corrupt that picking any one portion of it to get angry about is missing the point and falling into partisanship. Do you really want to debate the Democrat talking point of Trump's Ukraine phone call? It's a losing game.

Even if the case of OJ Simpson was a mistake, that does not mean that Trump's conviction is a mistake. This is Simpson's Paradox.

The Civil War was good because it ended slavery.

The verdict against Trump is good because crimes should be punished even if they are committed by people with political power.

The usual litany of accusations after a crazed attacker broke into the Pelosi's house has me thinking about the difficulty of assigning an ideological basis for any specific action or idea. Generally speaking this is known as a 'motte and bailey,' but there's something even broader at work when anyone can claim to speak for any movement at any time.

But it clearly wouldn't be fair to say that this attacker is representative of 'the right' any more than it is fair to say that the people raving about Russia collusion in 2016 were representative of 'the left,' except to the extent to which those ideas were platformed by the media.

This separation from media, the elevation of media from populace, seems inevitable given the mass confusion that results in exposure of the general population to the misinformation machine that is the modern Internet.

I don't know what to do about it but I begin to think that merely criticizing and replacing 'media' won't solve this problem of human confusion.

If Trump really believed the election was stolen he would have launched a civil war.

Sorry, I was writing to process and I should have included a link.

If you don't want to face questions I think you're in the wrong place.

I think you've become overpoliticized on this.

Biden claims it's not a majority of Republicans, but I think the majority of Republicans don't believe him.

Why should they? Republicans live in occupied territory: a foreign government blasts its propaganda on their airwaves.

During the time for that, all the so-called adults in the room told the hotheads who saw what was coming to just shut up and endure.

I wish I'd listened a little more. Now it feels like the only person I've been able to rely on to take the fight to them is old and discredited. Whether or not Trump is right that Biden has become the enemy of the people, it doesn't matter that he's right.

How many people here are "unfuckable messes" and would be comfortable being made a subject like this?

This is the correct reading of my comment, which I admit was unclear.

It’s hard to not see this as a coordinated effort.

Why? You must not go to the parts of the Internet where the recession is talked about. Don't tell me you actually listened to the Democrats when they said there wasn't a recession.

Don't blame the media for your reading habits.

mixing the personal and political

I don't know if I can go so far as to say that "Trump supporters deserve the rod" because patriots have to stick together, but I think that you have to be smart in politics.

As you (effectively) say, this is about the future, not the past.

The better question is if there's any allowance for humor here; how many of the people who upvoted you did so because of the logical point it contained? ;)

I know, and I weighed the consequences of brevity in this instance, and decided that a correction in one sentence was sufficient. To fulfill dharma I cannot be obligated to address all dukkha incurred by another's attempt to teach.

It is also an intended read that if you are irresponsible enough to take spiritual training (is it the transfer of knowledge about the spirit?) over the Internet from someone's book report, you can be responsible for performing your own search.

Is that an honest question or are trying to twist someone's words?

Honest question.

In either case, the status of the vaccine around the timing of the election is known. Eric Topol has been very vocal about his part in delaying the vaccine until after the election. We've since learned that Pfizer, who Topol said he successfully targeted, decided to simply stop processing lab samples in order to delay approval until after the election:

So the FDA postponed the vaccine until after the election in order to deny Trump a victory??

I've seen both, to be honest.

From my moderator note the last time I posted here, on the subject of the convict Donald Trump.

I'm actually happy to see someone defending the verdict and pushing back on what's clearly a dominant opinion here (this is completely orthogonal to what I personally think of the verdict) and it's unfortunate that the only pushback is coming from someone whose responses can mostly be summarized as "Neener neener."

I have half a mind to post this on a substack because I don't think it will get a fair hearing here. Out of respect for what TheMotte once was, I'll give it a try.

There's a problem with this inability to recognize evil as evil that is endemic here.

A felony is a kind of serious crime.

It means that a person has crossed a certain line of civility. A transgression against the nature of truth.

Trump is a liar. He lied about something to such a serious degree that twelve citizens were firmly convinced that he is guilty.

If you care at all about law and order, at some point you have to stop endorsing the person who attacks law and order.


I've been the victim of an SJW hate mob. It's one of many things that made me comfortable at a place where people were willing to talk about the deficiencies and self-righteous indignation of lefties.

But you, as in you the people here, you the people reading this message, are not better than the SJWs in this specific way: you demonize rather than argue. If someone makes a short argument, that's somehow bad and unfair and against the rules.

How is that supposed to be tolerating disagreement? How is that supposed to be free speech?

Trump is a bad person. And it's time for him to go.

And if you can't accept that, fuck you.

Any forum in which I'm not free to use my speech like this isn't a free speech forum.

I'm a classic 'law and order' conservative and Trump lost me on January 6th.

We have rules in our society, and he broke them. And your grudge against SJWs, which I share, is no justification for avoiding cleaning up your own shit.


Our entire society is predicated on some amount of trust. Some amount of truthfulness. We have laws about campaign finance. We have laws about falsifying business records. We have laws which brand a person a felon if they are a threat to the public order.

TheMotte became a performative space where people were allowed to tell themselves the story that they were 'grey tribe' neutral at the same time they bitterly denied and resistance any news which made their actual side look bad.

My only side is America. My only side is the Constitution. I am against lawlessness and disorder, and though many Democrats are corrupt criminals, and many SJWs are hysteric shit-flinging busybodies, none of that matters if we can't hold Trump accountable.

  • -52

Trump was summoned into existence by the media.

Incorrect. Trump was summoned into existence by his followers. The media reported on his crimes.

If Biden had been a gracious victor, he'd be coasting to a second term and would go down in history as a uniter

If Trump had been a gracious loser, he might be worth nominating for another term. But he went all-in on hate. It didn't have to be this way.

  • -27

Furthermore,

This is just functionally wrong. Whether dictators are net good is an interesting question.

But they do provide benefits.

No. Not only no, hell no. Not only no, a thousand times no.

Dictators are never good. Open calls for authoritarians are a sign of deeply misplaced idiocy and ignorance.

Our Founding Fathers did not create a bulwark against sheer hellish authoritarianism, they did not rebel against a king just so some shitbrained internet commentators who got hurt by a blue haired person once could lust after the inherently violent nature of a dictatorship.

I reject utterly this uncivilized madness.

All dictatorships are dysfunctional. Anyone who says otherwise is making a partisan and inflammatory claim.

The entire point of rejecting the authoritarian left is to avoid the hell that is a dictator in charge.

  • -24