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I'm serious.


				

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GematriaUnlimited

dependariat

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I'm serious.


					

User ID: 267

I suspect that there's overlap between people who accuse Trump of inciting the riot on January 6th despite his explicit call for 'peace' and people who believe that the 'bloodbath' comment is evidence that Trump is ready for a civil war even though he was clearly talking about the automotive industry.

I think that Trump should be in the past for the good of this country, but when we can't even agree on what words mean anymore, I don't know that I think there's a lot of hope.

Sometimes I think about how we got here. Something I've seen a lot of leftwing people talk about recently is: "The system is what it does." The left is what it does, not what it says it does. The postmodernism, the communism: there's this sense in which I just want to say we can see you. But there's always equivocation about 'the left.' They call it 'essentializing' the left even as they apply their reductive reasoning to Trumpism.

And I'm old enough to remember that Obama came in on backlash to the Bush administration. "Cthulhu swims left" is the sort of thing neophytes say on encountering politics for the first time: it follows that Cthulhu swims right in a great drumbeat. Much of the surveillance apparatus that creates our authoritarian present was built during the Bush administration.

I'm afraid of what people will turn to if Trump isn't enough.

Maybe there aren't firm conclusions in here, but there's no one else talking today, so here I am.

Warning: CNN link, John Durham's investigation into the Trump-Russia investigation has been released.

I think it's clear that the politically motivated investigation found nothing but did a lot of damage. It was an early instance of the two-movies-on-one-screen phenomenon becoming a deep division in our political spheres. If there's one thing I wish I could get my remaining left-aligned friends to understand it's that their reaction to Trump is worse than anything Trump could have said or done.

Even after the Mueller nothingburger they still talk with utter seriousness about Russian interference in our elections and I don't know how this divide in our country can ever be bridged.

Watching the press briefing Trump gave... something in me finally broke.

I don't think it matters what you call Trumpism. I think that we've spent all of this time propping up a broken system with a broken man. I recoiled from the accelerationists who said they were using Trump to break the system because that just seems so destructive and vile, no better than the people who break Starbucks windows.

I thought: maybe he's a good man. Maybe we should give him a chance. And the Democrats are so vile in their baseless slander.

But the Dermocrats didn't make him give that speech on January 6th.

Hillary Clinton should have been jailed and she should still be in jail. There is nothing to be gained however from holding on to a tool that has run out of use.

I mean is there anyone out there who didn't understand why Democrats were in shrill hysterics about fascism? The man like to scare them, and I don't know if I believe that he had so much fun terrorizing the libs (it's so easy and someone has to do it) that he fell into it, or if... well, I just can't go down that road yet.

This criminal wasn't worth all of this divisiveness in our politics. Maybe the divisiveness was already there.

I regret my support for former president Trump and I want him to withdraw from public life. Nixon had the decency to step down when his time was up.

  • -28

I've long thought that while the thrust of the criticism "The Left Can't Meme" is true, the smug certainty of that criticism has become overblown. When the Left memes, people listen, even if they, like ContraPoints, aren't funny.

I'm starting to accept that there just isn't a place for people like me who think the left has to be opposed strongly and swiftly from within mainstream politics. From the reception of my previous comment, I'm gathering that people here don't tend to believe that Trump can be that person in mainstream politics. If not Trump, then who? If all of the shenanigans pulled by Biden et al over the past three years can't be held to account then where are we as a culture?

I guess I'm feeling defeated. Once again the establishment gets to tell the story exactly the way they want to tell it.

It sounds to me like you're resisting an obvious conclusion: you need religion. The choice is between tradition and its challenging but earnest calls to a better life and the degeneracy of rainbow churches.

You need religion because you boast about your sexual relationship with your wife online.

You need religion because instead of keeping your family business in the family, you make political hay of it to strangers.

Talk to the people you need to talk to, don't just vent helplessly.

This makes me uncomfortable because it reminds me so much of those times that the Democrats would push narratives about Russia and Trump. I remember making arguments at length that regardless of whether or not Trump was 'polite' the office of the presidency should still command respect; I thought these were strong arguments and maybe I still do. When are we going to try to be a more uniting force instead of continuing to hunt down scandals involving relatives?

Kushner being sent to build peace in the middle east was unorthodox in the appearance of nepotism, but in unorthodox times we need unorthodox solutions. I dare call this preoccupation on Biden's spawn obsessive. You're trying to hold 'the system' to a consistency it never had. Trump did things that angered the left and that made me glad, but as I think about a divided country I feel some shame for embracing that power, for now I see in you someone who is angered, much as the left was, over trivial, irrelevant, and imagined corruption.

Do you need to be told that Trump lost, get over it? Do you need to be told to look to the future and not the past? What are you looking for? What are you hoping to find?

It's over for me.

We pretended that senile rambling old man was a president for four years and now the country is more divided than ever. I am ashamed of how I have treated people while I have been under the influence of that horrible man who helped break this country.

I say helped break because he didn't do it alone. Every person who covered for him, who made excuses for him, who refused to see that there was an old man with no control over himself (he was leaking constantly, he couldn't keep a secret. He couldn't keep a secret.) has some share of responsibility in this.

This is a serious situation that we let get out of control. And we need to be united, and I wish I had been able to admit that Trump was a divider sooner.

  • -78

But you've been tolerating corruption like this the entire time. The system is so corrupt that picking any one portion of it to get angry about is missing the point and falling into partisanship. Do you really want to debate the Democrat talking point of Trump's Ukraine phone call? It's a losing game.

The usual litany of accusations after a crazed attacker broke into the Pelosi's house has me thinking about the difficulty of assigning an ideological basis for any specific action or idea. Generally speaking this is known as a 'motte and bailey,' but there's something even broader at work when anyone can claim to speak for any movement at any time.

But it clearly wouldn't be fair to say that this attacker is representative of 'the right' any more than it is fair to say that the people raving about Russia collusion in 2016 were representative of 'the left,' except to the extent to which those ideas were platformed by the media.

This separation from media, the elevation of media from populace, seems inevitable given the mass confusion that results in exposure of the general population to the misinformation machine that is the modern Internet.

I don't know what to do about it but I begin to think that merely criticizing and replacing 'media' won't solve this problem of human confusion.

I don't think nearly as many people have heard of EA as have heard of woke.

How many people here are "unfuckable messes" and would be comfortable being made a subject like this?

Most Republicans don't believe climate change is a problem at all, your optimism is incoherent

I'm really hoping that the Republican wave coming our way (I have some positions on Republicans winning both the House and the Senate) will cool the fire on leftwing extremism. We need a de-escalation in this country and it's never going to happen while left-aligned people continue to belabor their most noxious positions.

A sound defeat might be just the thing to correct some of the worst excesses of the morality police.

Otherwise you would lose every elections and never project power.

The right just lost elections because they can't let go of Trump. Trump doesn't project power he projects weakness. He used to be able to do it but his time is done. DeSantis has some strong points but I'm still hoping for someone a little better at silencing wokeness without feeding division.

Is Biden the enemy of the people, as has been claimed by Trump?

I wouldn't like to take such an allegation lightly. But I have to admit, there's something to be said for recognizing a spade as a spade. It's impossible to talk about in leftist controlled spaces, but woke politics does sometimes act like this higher-dimension being which occupies minds and turns them towards the possession of power in the service of ritual idealism.

This country is divided and maybe it's time to recognize those divisions more openly. Maybe those who have been forced to keep mouths shut for fear of being attacked or losing jobs need to stand firm.

Maybe conservatives need to hold on to the right to speak about demographics in a straightforward fashion.

Maybe it's better to hold onto the strong fighter you have instead of indulging in the hope that this time there might be a compromise, even as history shows the limits, even pitfalls, of such willingness to come to the table.

I wish I had more of a firm argument to submit, but I can only ask the question and see what the responses stir in my mind...

Your thoughts?

  • -21

Explain to me, if you would, your preoccupation with Fauci.

All I know is the government said take the vaccine, so I took it. I knew there was a chance of side effects but I judged them to be negligible. Vaccines aren't scary.

It is somewhat irresponsible to mention dharma without also covering dukkha.

One of the criticisms that stuck with me early on in Trump's presidency, don't know who said it, was that by embracing a politician whose action deliberately enraged the 'other side', we were furthering division in this country. I think that was undeniably true, and it was undeniably the sort of thing any proper conservative party should understand.

I would impeach Biden for being old and will accept any pretext whatsoever.

An argument? You want an argument?

Every person who was wrong about Trump and his effect on this country needs to pray to God for forgiveness. I know I have.

If you spectated this disaster from the comfort of intellectual distance, you're part of the problem.

  • -50

That's when it broke for me, the illusion that this was ever a president.

You don't understand, I saw how the media treated Bush so I thought they were histrionic. Now I look at the people who are backing him in a hysterical narrative and I see a threat to the future of this country.

I see a generation of men being taught that winning is "declaring yourself the winner" and I despair.

Prior to that I didn't see just how much he never ever shut up and I understood: this is a chronic issue of the degradation of the boomer mind.

  • -22

I believe this vindicates the front-line doctors and makes mass murderers of the censors, as well-intentioned as those who smashed sparrows for Mao.

Something I've been thinking a lot about as I see a well-intentioned president Trump struggle against the power in this country is the fallibility of human government. Are you sure you're not overreacting to human fallibility?

Trump was on the right side of history, and I think it's important to retain belief that there is a right side of history and people can be on it.

The CDC was more concerned about getting the vaccine out than perfect safety. Does that really make them mass murderers?

Biden claims it's not a majority of Republicans, but I think the majority of Republicans don't believe him.

Why should they? Republicans live in occupied territory: a foreign government blasts its propaganda on their airwaves.

During the time for that, all the so-called adults in the room told the hotheads who saw what was coming to just shut up and endure.

I wish I'd listened a little more. Now it feels like the only person I've been able to rely on to take the fight to them is old and discredited. Whether or not Trump is right that Biden has become the enemy of the people, it doesn't matter that he's right.

On Covid, scientists were unwilling to admit the lab theory because the labs running GoF experiments were doing the same thing in China as they were in the USA. It’s as simple as that. It could have happened in America, blaming “the Chinese” was nonsensical.

The above screed (that you're replying to) was written by someone who rather than consider just how difficult it is to tell the truth to an inflamed populace would prefer to lean into an ideological mistrust of 'blue tribe' targets.

To the extent that this place is attempting to be 'conservative' it's essentially lost all semblance of responsibility as a virtue.

  • -16

When did we become so bleak?