BANNED USER: Angry troll looking for a fight
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
I'm serious.
User ID: 267
Banned by: @Amadan
From my moderator note the last time I posted here, on the subject of the convict Donald Trump.
I'm actually happy to see someone defending the verdict and pushing back on what's clearly a dominant opinion here (this is completely orthogonal to what I personally think of the verdict) and it's unfortunate that the only pushback is coming from someone whose responses can mostly be summarized as "Neener neener."
I have half a mind to post this on a substack because I don't think it will get a fair hearing here. Out of respect for what TheMotte once was, I'll give it a try.
There's a problem with this inability to recognize evil as evil that is endemic here.
A felony is a kind of serious crime.
It means that a person has crossed a certain line of civility. A transgression against the nature of truth.
Trump is a liar. He lied about something to such a serious degree that twelve citizens were firmly convinced that he is guilty.
If you care at all about law and order, at some point you have to stop endorsing the person who attacks law and order.
I've been the victim of an SJW hate mob. It's one of many things that made me comfortable at a place where people were willing to talk about the deficiencies and self-righteous indignation of lefties.
But you, as in you the people here, you the people reading this message, are not better than the SJWs in this specific way: you demonize rather than argue. If someone makes a short argument, that's somehow bad and unfair and against the rules.
How is that supposed to be tolerating disagreement? How is that supposed to be free speech?
Trump is a bad person. And it's time for him to go.
And if you can't accept that, fuck you.
Any forum in which I'm not free to use my speech like this isn't a free speech forum.
I'm a classic 'law and order' conservative and Trump lost me on January 6th.
We have rules in our society, and he broke them. And your grudge against SJWs, which I share, is no justification for avoiding cleaning up your own shit.
Our entire society is predicated on some amount of trust. Some amount of truthfulness. We have laws about campaign finance. We have laws about falsifying business records. We have laws which brand a person a felon if they are a threat to the public order.
TheMotte became a performative space where people were allowed to tell themselves the story that they were 'grey tribe' neutral at the same time they bitterly denied and resistance any news which made their actual side look bad.
My only side is America. My only side is the Constitution. I am against lawlessness and disorder, and though many Democrats are corrupt criminals, and many SJWs are hysteric shit-flinging busybodies, none of that matters if we can't hold Trump accountable.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
An argument? You want an argument?
Every person who was wrong about Trump and his effect on this country needs to pray to God for forgiveness. I know I have.
If you spectated this disaster from the comfort of intellectual distance, you're part of the problem.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
Trump was convicted by a jury of our peers. I trust their judgment. He's guilty.
He's a guilty politician convicted of a crime. A felony.
He's a convicted felon.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
I don't wish to add fuel to conspiracy theories about the 2020 election by engaging you in disagreement.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
I don't wish to add fuel to conspiracy theories about the 2020 election by engaging you in disagreement.
Back then we didn't know about what he told Kid Rock.
I'm still dwelling.
Forgive me that this is where I dwell.
Conversion is a long, steady process, of slow erosion, and steady persistence. Time, repetition. You build a wall in a season and tear down a wall in a season, but a hole can be made right away...
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
11mo ago
And I can see that my comments have to be manually approved. Good God. The moderation here is simply bad.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
2yr ago
Watching the press briefing Trump gave... something in me finally broke.
I don't think it matters what you call Trumpism. I think that we've spent all of this time propping up a broken system with a broken man. I recoiled from the accelerationists who said they were using Trump to break the system because that just seems so destructive and vile, no better than the people who break Starbucks windows.
I thought: maybe he's a good man. Maybe we should give him a chance. And the Democrats are so vile in their baseless slander.
But the Dermocrats didn't make him give that speech on January 6th.
Hillary Clinton should have been jailed and she should still be in jail. There is nothing to be gained however from holding on to a tool that has run out of use.
I mean is there anyone out there who didn't understand why Democrats were in shrill hysterics about fascism? The man like to scare them, and I don't know if I believe that he had so much fun terrorizing the libs (it's so easy and someone has to do it) that he fell into it, or if... well, I just can't go down that road yet.
This criminal wasn't worth all of this divisiveness in our politics. Maybe the divisiveness was already there.
I regret my support for former president Trump and I want him to withdraw from public life. Nixon had the decency to step down when his time was up.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
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Content
- Avoid low-effort participation.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
That sounds to me like a laymen interpretation of the case. I trust the jurors to come to a decision about whether or not a crime was committed.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
Trump was summoned into existence by the media.
Incorrect. Trump was summoned into existence by his followers. The media reported on his crimes.
If Biden had been a gracious victor, he'd be coasting to a second term and would go down in history as a uniter
If Trump had been a gracious loser, he might be worth nominating for another term. But he went all-in on hate. It didn't have to be this way.
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Courtesy
- Make your point reasonably clear and plain.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
11mo ago
Trump got Babbit killed. Trump is getting people killed.
Trump is not some magical output of a culture war. Trump is a danger to us all.
If you want the violence to stop, the person blaring violent rhetoric nonstop has to be silenced.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
11mo ago
Furthermore,
This is just functionally wrong. Whether dictators are net good is an interesting question.
But they do provide benefits.
No. Not only no, hell no. Not only no, a thousand times no.
Dictators are never good. Open calls for authoritarians are a sign of deeply misplaced idiocy and ignorance.
Our Founding Fathers did not create a bulwark against sheer hellish authoritarianism, they did not rebel against a king just so some shitbrained internet commentators who got hurt by a blue haired person once could lust after the inherently violent nature of a dictatorship.
I reject utterly this uncivilized madness.
All dictatorships are dysfunctional. Anyone who says otherwise is making a partisan and inflammatory claim.
The entire point of rejecting the authoritarian left is to avoid the hell that is a dictator in charge.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
I might even vote for the old rascal myself as I view this lawfare as both morally wrong and deeply destabilizing.
How can you restabilize a situation in which an active participant has committed to destabilizing it by propagating myths about a stolen election?
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
You do need Jesus.
But that's neither here nor there.
Go ahead and talk about why you think Trump is terrible and Trump supporters should repent
Trump supporters should repent because it is wrong to turn brother against brother in politics.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
That's when it broke for me, the illusion that this was ever a president.
You don't understand, I saw how the media treated Bush so I thought they were histrionic. Now I look at the people who are backing him in a hysterical narrative and I see a threat to the future of this country.
I see a generation of men being taught that winning is "declaring yourself the winner" and I despair.
Prior to that I didn't see just how much he never ever shut up and I understood: this is a chronic issue of the degradation of the boomer mind.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
It seems to me that it is better to set a precedent that criminals get convicted of crimes over a precedent that politicians cannot be convicted of crimes.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
2yr ago
Is Biden the enemy of the people, as has been claimed by Trump?
I wouldn't like to take such an allegation lightly. But I have to admit, there's something to be said for recognizing a spade as a spade. It's impossible to talk about in leftist controlled spaces, but woke politics does sometimes act like this higher-dimension being which occupies minds and turns them towards the possession of power in the service of ritual idealism.
This country is divided and maybe it's time to recognize those divisions more openly. Maybe those who have been forced to keep mouths shut for fear of being attacked or losing jobs need to stand firm.
Maybe conservatives need to hold on to the right to speak about demographics in a straightforward fashion.
Maybe it's better to hold onto the strong fighter you have instead of indulging in the hope that this time there might be a compromise, even as history shows the limits, even pitfalls, of such willingness to come to the table.
I wish I had more of a firm argument to submit, but I can only ask the question and see what the responses stir in my mind...
Your thoughts?
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
I don't believe it was the 'most secure election ever' but pandering to the crybabies does not make them stop crying.
It's in everyone's interest that we secure our election from crybabies who believe that crying about their boomer's election defeat is an acceptable political strategy.
Punish defectors. It is the path to stability, whatever the defectors would have you believe.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
The beginning of the Imperial era in Roman politics led to civil war over the imperial seat which was the true cause of the fall of the Roman Empire.
Authoritarian dictators are an inherently incompetent and violent form of government, and anyone who aspires to return us to savage government is factually incorrect about an important section of human history.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
11mo ago
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/donald-trump-violent-rhetoric-catalogue
someone who should lose the quality of being considered reasonable
Trump has lost the quality of being reasonable, and his continued existence in our public life or any advocacy of such should be grounds for having lost the quality of being considered reasonable.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
On Covid, scientists were unwilling to admit the lab theory because the labs running GoF experiments were doing the same thing in China as they were in the USA. It’s as simple as that. It could have happened in America, blaming “the Chinese” was nonsensical.
The above screed (that you're replying to) was written by someone who rather than consider just how difficult it is to tell the truth to an inflamed populace would prefer to lean into an ideological mistrust of 'blue tribe' targets.
To the extent that this place is attempting to be 'conservative' it's essentially lost all semblance of responsibility as a virtue.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
It is true that if it is a legitimate challenge to an election result, there would be ways of knowing this. The existence of people who believe false things does not mean those false things are true.
It is true that an illegitimate challenge to an election result is a threat to democracy. Illegitimate challengers are criminals, and they should be punished to the full extent of the law.
It's over for me.
We pretended that senile rambling old man was a president for four years and now the country is more divided than ever. I am ashamed of how I have treated people while I have been under the influence of that horrible man who helped break this country.
I say helped break because he didn't do it alone. Every person who covered for him, who made excuses for him, who refused to see that there was an old man with no control over himself (he was leaking constantly, he couldn't keep a secret. He couldn't keep a secret.) has some share of responsibility in this.
This is a serious situation that we let get out of control. And we need to be united, and I wish I had been able to admit that Trump was a divider sooner.
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