BANNED USER: Angry troll looking for a fight
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
I'm serious.
User ID: 267
Banned by: @Amadan
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
It's over for me.
We pretended that senile rambling old man was a president for four years and now the country is more divided than ever. I am ashamed of how I have treated people while I have been under the influence of that horrible man who helped break this country.
I say helped break because he didn't do it alone. Every person who covered for him, who made excuses for him, who refused to see that there was an old man with no control over himself (he was leaking constantly, he couldn't keep a secret. He couldn't keep a secret.) has some share of responsibility in this.
This is a serious situation that we let get out of control. And we need to be united, and I wish I had been able to admit that Trump was a divider sooner.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
I might even vote for the old rascal myself as I view this lawfare as both morally wrong and deeply destabilizing.
How can you restabilize a situation in which an active participant has committed to destabilizing it by propagating myths about a stolen election?
From my moderator note the last time I posted here, on the subject of the convict Donald Trump.
I'm actually happy to see someone defending the verdict and pushing back on what's clearly a dominant opinion here (this is completely orthogonal to what I personally think of the verdict) and it's unfortunate that the only pushback is coming from someone whose responses can mostly be summarized as "Neener neener."
I have half a mind to post this on a substack because I don't think it will get a fair hearing here. Out of respect for what TheMotte once was, I'll give it a try.
There's a problem with this inability to recognize evil as evil that is endemic here.
A felony is a kind of serious crime.
It means that a person has crossed a certain line of civility. A transgression against the nature of truth.
Trump is a liar. He lied about something to such a serious degree that twelve citizens were firmly convinced that he is guilty.
If you care at all about law and order, at some point you have to stop endorsing the person who attacks law and order.
I've been the victim of an SJW hate mob. It's one of many things that made me comfortable at a place where people were willing to talk about the deficiencies and self-righteous indignation of lefties.
But you, as in you the people here, you the people reading this message, are not better than the SJWs in this specific way: you demonize rather than argue. If someone makes a short argument, that's somehow bad and unfair and against the rules.
How is that supposed to be tolerating disagreement? How is that supposed to be free speech?
Trump is a bad person. And it's time for him to go.
And if you can't accept that, fuck you.
Any forum in which I'm not free to use my speech like this isn't a free speech forum.
I'm a classic 'law and order' conservative and Trump lost me on January 6th.
We have rules in our society, and he broke them. And your grudge against SJWs, which I share, is no justification for avoiding cleaning up your own shit.
Our entire society is predicated on some amount of trust. Some amount of truthfulness. We have laws about campaign finance. We have laws about falsifying business records. We have laws which brand a person a felon if they are a threat to the public order.
TheMotte became a performative space where people were allowed to tell themselves the story that they were 'grey tribe' neutral at the same time they bitterly denied and resistance any news which made their actual side look bad.
My only side is America. My only side is the Constitution. I am against lawlessness and disorder, and though many Democrats are corrupt criminals, and many SJWs are hysteric shit-flinging busybodies, none of that matters if we can't hold Trump accountable.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
It seems to me that it is better to set a precedent that criminals get convicted of crimes over a precedent that politicians cannot be convicted of crimes.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
2yr ago
This makes me uncomfortable because it reminds me so much of those times that the Democrats would push narratives about Russia and Trump. I remember making arguments at length that regardless of whether or not Trump was 'polite' the office of the presidency should still command respect; I thought these were strong arguments and maybe I still do. When are we going to try to be a more uniting force instead of continuing to hunt down scandals involving relatives?
Kushner being sent to build peace in the middle east was unorthodox in the appearance of nepotism, but in unorthodox times we need unorthodox solutions. I dare call this preoccupation on Biden's spawn obsessive. You're trying to hold 'the system' to a consistency it never had. Trump did things that angered the left and that made me glad, but as I think about a divided country I feel some shame for embracing that power, for now I see in you someone who is angered, much as the left was, over trivial, irrelevant, and imagined corruption.
Do you need to be told that Trump lost, get over it? Do you need to be told to look to the future and not the past? What are you looking for? What are you hoping to find?
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
2yr ago
I'm really hoping that the Republican wave coming our way (I have some positions on Republicans winning both the House and the Senate) will cool the fire on leftwing extremism. We need a de-escalation in this country and it's never going to happen while left-aligned people continue to belabor their most noxious positions.
A sound defeat might be just the thing to correct some of the worst excesses of the morality police.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
An argument? You want an argument?
Every person who was wrong about Trump and his effect on this country needs to pray to God for forgiveness. I know I have.
If you spectated this disaster from the comfort of intellectual distance, you're part of the problem.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
2yr ago
Is Biden the enemy of the people, as has been claimed by Trump?
I wouldn't like to take such an allegation lightly. But I have to admit, there's something to be said for recognizing a spade as a spade. It's impossible to talk about in leftist controlled spaces, but woke politics does sometimes act like this higher-dimension being which occupies minds and turns them towards the possession of power in the service of ritual idealism.
This country is divided and maybe it's time to recognize those divisions more openly. Maybe those who have been forced to keep mouths shut for fear of being attacked or losing jobs need to stand firm.
Maybe conservatives need to hold on to the right to speak about demographics in a straightforward fashion.
Maybe it's better to hold onto the strong fighter you have instead of indulging in the hope that this time there might be a compromise, even as history shows the limits, even pitfalls, of such willingness to come to the table.
I wish I had more of a firm argument to submit, but I can only ask the question and see what the responses stir in my mind...
Your thoughts?
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
Trump was convicted by a jury of our peers. I trust their judgment. He's guilty.
He's a guilty politician convicted of a crime. A felony.
He's a convicted felon.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
Back then we didn't know about what he told Kid Rock.
I'm still dwelling.
Forgive me that this is where I dwell.
Conversion is a long, steady process, of slow erosion, and steady persistence. Time, repetition. You build a wall in a season and tear down a wall in a season, but a hole can be made right away...
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
11mo ago
Furthermore,
This is just functionally wrong. Whether dictators are net good is an interesting question.
But they do provide benefits.
No. Not only no, hell no. Not only no, a thousand times no.
Dictators are never good. Open calls for authoritarians are a sign of deeply misplaced idiocy and ignorance.
Our Founding Fathers did not create a bulwark against sheer hellish authoritarianism, they did not rebel against a king just so some shitbrained internet commentators who got hurt by a blue haired person once could lust after the inherently violent nature of a dictatorship.
I reject utterly this uncivilized madness.
All dictatorships are dysfunctional. Anyone who says otherwise is making a partisan and inflammatory claim.
The entire point of rejecting the authoritarian left is to avoid the hell that is a dictator in charge.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
2yr ago
I believe this vindicates the front-line doctors and makes mass murderers of the censors, as well-intentioned as those who smashed sparrows for Mao.
Something I've been thinking a lot about as I see a well-intentioned president Trump struggle against the power in this country is the fallibility of human government. Are you sure you're not overreacting to human fallibility?
Trump was on the right side of history, and I think it's important to retain belief that there is a right side of history and people can be on it.
The CDC was more concerned about getting the vaccine out than perfect safety. Does that really make them mass murderers?
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
2yr ago
I've long thought that while the thrust of the criticism "The Left Can't Meme" is true, the smug certainty of that criticism has become overblown. When the Left memes, people listen, even if they, like ContraPoints, aren't funny.
I'm starting to accept that there just isn't a place for people like me who think the left has to be opposed strongly and swiftly from within mainstream politics. From the reception of my previous comment, I'm gathering that people here don't tend to believe that Trump can be that person in mainstream politics. If not Trump, then who? If all of the shenanigans pulled by Biden et al over the past three years can't be held to account then where are we as a culture?
I guess I'm feeling defeated. Once again the establishment gets to tell the story exactly the way they want to tell it.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
The beginning of the Imperial era in Roman politics led to civil war over the imperial seat which was the true cause of the fall of the Roman Empire.
Authoritarian dictators are an inherently incompetent and violent form of government, and anyone who aspires to return us to savage government is factually incorrect about an important section of human history.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
That's when it broke for me, the illusion that this was ever a president.
You don't understand, I saw how the media treated Bush so I thought they were histrionic. Now I look at the people who are backing him in a hysterical narrative and I see a threat to the future of this country.
I see a generation of men being taught that winning is "declaring yourself the winner" and I despair.
Prior to that I didn't see just how much he never ever shut up and I understood: this is a chronic issue of the degradation of the boomer mind.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
I wish we could have disposed of Trump in time to have a real conservative candidate this November.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
Trump was summoned into existence by the media.
Incorrect. Trump was summoned into existence by his followers. The media reported on his crimes.
If Biden had been a gracious victor, he'd be coasting to a second term and would go down in history as a uniter
If Trump had been a gracious loser, he might be worth nominating for another term. But he went all-in on hate. It didn't have to be this way.
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Courtesy
- Make your point reasonably clear and plain.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
How can you tell the difference between overt political lawfare and the conviction of a felon by a jury of peers?
Wouldn't the assumption that any criminal punishment of a political candidate be considered 'lawfare' make it impossible to punish criminal politicians?
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
What don't you believe?
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
2yr ago
Explain to me, if you would, your preoccupation with Fauci.
All I know is the government said take the vaccine, so I took it. I knew there was a chance of side effects but I judged them to be negligible. Vaccines aren't scary.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
That sounds to me like a laymen interpretation of the case. I trust the jurors to come to a decision about whether or not a crime was committed.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
I suspect that there's overlap between people who accuse Trump of inciting the riot on January 6th despite his explicit call for 'peace' and people who believe that the 'bloodbath' comment is evidence that Trump is ready for a civil war even though he was clearly talking about the automotive industry.
I think that Trump should be in the past for the good of this country, but when we can't even agree on what words mean anymore, I don't know that I think there's a lot of hope.
Sometimes I think about how we got here. Something I've seen a lot of leftwing people talk about recently is: "The system is what it does." The left is what it does, not what it says it does. The postmodernism, the communism: there's this sense in which I just want to say we can see you. But there's always equivocation about 'the left.' They call it 'essentializing' the left even as they apply their reductive reasoning to Trumpism.
And I'm old enough to remember that Obama came in on backlash to the Bush administration. "Cthulhu swims left" is the sort of thing neophytes say on encountering politics for the first time: it follows that Cthulhu swims right in a great drumbeat. Much of the surveillance apparatus that creates our authoritarian present was built during the Bush administration.
I'm afraid of what people will turn to if Trump isn't enough.
Maybe there aren't firm conclusions in here, but there's no one else talking today, so here I am.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
1yr ago
How many people here are "unfuckable messes" and would be comfortable being made a subject like this?
Watching the press briefing Trump gave... something in me finally broke.
I don't think it matters what you call Trumpism. I think that we've spent all of this time propping up a broken system with a broken man. I recoiled from the accelerationists who said they were using Trump to break the system because that just seems so destructive and vile, no better than the people who break Starbucks windows.
I thought: maybe he's a good man. Maybe we should give him a chance. And the Democrats are so vile in their baseless slander.
But the Dermocrats didn't make him give that speech on January 6th.
Hillary Clinton should have been jailed and she should still be in jail. There is nothing to be gained however from holding on to a tool that has run out of use.
I mean is there anyone out there who didn't understand why Democrats were in shrill hysterics about fascism? The man like to scare them, and I don't know if I believe that he had so much fun terrorizing the libs (it's so easy and someone has to do it) that he fell into it, or if... well, I just can't go down that road yet.
This criminal wasn't worth all of this divisiveness in our politics. Maybe the divisiveness was already there.
I regret my support for former president Trump and I want him to withdraw from public life. Nixon had the decency to step down when his time was up.
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