Pynewacket
2mo ago
who also mentions the points that immigrants tend to take jobs we citizens don’t want
the part not mentioned at that point is "with those wages", always find it disingenuous when economists et al treat the situation as if economic incentives doesn't exist for this specific situation and the only way to have your toilet unclogged or burgers in your McDonald is by bringing more immigration, which is how you keep wages stagnant.
The second critique is that his model assumes that there is perfect substitutability between natives and immigrants within each skill cell. There are many reasons that immigrants and natives might not be perfect substitutes even if they have the same level of skill and education—for example, language ability (Lewis 2013)
What I think they are missing in this excerpt, that the common man perfectly understands, is that they don't need to be perfect substitutes, they just need to be good enough. With languages as similar as english and spanish are is not all that difficult to understand each other, after all spanglish is a thing.
If the assumptions behind Borjas’s model are appropriate for immigrants, in this case, implying that within education-experience cells men and women are perfect substitutes
this is the Damore Memo all over again, and even in the same career path Peterson mentions that women are less likely to ask for a raise.
Scarcity of labor only drives up wages to the point a firm can afford.
Really sure what does it matter with respect to "While it’s possible for an influx of new labor to drive down wages for a short time or in a particular field without much of a barrier to entry"? the level of elasticity of wages isn't in contention here.
Remittances aren’t a major variable and also foreigners buy US products.
why aren't they a major variable?, and foreigners may buy US products too, but if part of their wage goes to Mexico they will buy less than natives.
Empowering China was not a problem in pure economic terms, it was a problem in geopolitical ones.
And we aren't living only in a economic world, but one with geopolitical considerations too.
the Rust Belt can still get fucked for not being a competitive place to run a factory. Whining about it and trying to use government intervention to prevent the outcomes of markets, instead of doing a good job of competing for new industries,
It was shortsighted and a perfect representation of everything wrong with the "Line goes up" Meme mentality that economists et al are so fond of. Now we have a hollowed up Rust belt, a Nuclear power hostile to every value you hold dear and Cartels in your backyard. All of this with far reaching consequences like the fentanyl and homeless crisis.
If you don’t let labor come to the US sufficient to keep up with hiring demands, you drive up the incentive to outsource production to where there is available labor.
the hollowing out of the rust belt proves this isn't true. Outsourcing is a product of dramatically cheaper labor costs outweighing transportation costs and import taxes.
Pynewacket
2mo ago
While it’s possible for an influx of new labor to drive down wages for a short time or in a particular field without much of a barrier to entry, you’re just wrong, theoretically and empirically.
Do you have anything to back this?
Except, workers are also consumers. So they work to earn money and then spend that money, which creates a demand for other people to have jobs.
A country with a high population growth rate from fertility has a very similar labor economics situation with one having the same from immigration.
Does remittances factor in this hypothetical?
People get pissy over immigrants and over outsourcing, but ultimately it’s mostly just hating the necessary dynamism and creative destruction that makes the American economy so much better than any peer.
So line goes up Meme and to hell with the rust belt. Without taking into account that that was the reason that empowered China and made it the menace that it is today.
Pynewacket
2mo ago
If Nibbler is anything to go by, I would say they do.
Pynewacket
2mo ago
god no. Can you imagine a bunch of quokkas going about EA and Skynet every two days on the forum?. The place is better served by users grounded in reality, be they lefties or righties.
Pynewacket
2mo ago
I wonder if he would have approved of current state America, with it's welfare state schemes and restrictions in the second and first amendment.
Pynewacket
3mo ago
I am not officially warning you here, but this post was kind of low effort and you really have been sort of a one-note piano lately, enough that even people who broadly agree with you are getting annoyed.
But is he wrong though?
Pynewacket
3mo ago
I'm really glad now that I have an old school account that doesn't need my phone number. All these loops one has to jump through are anoying.
Pynewacket
3mo ago
then let's agree to disagree.
Pynewacket
3mo ago
Nobody said that it was, but it is pseudo slavery if your only options are that, crime (medium term death) or starve (early death).
Pynewacket
3mo ago
Of the staples like milk and bread? yeah.
Pynewacket
3mo ago
Illegal immigrants undercut domestic workers, it would logically raise employment and wages amongst the working class.
they don't have better prospects too.
Pynewacket
3mo ago
I honestly don't understand how these commercials could possibly sell product, so I assume they are just pushing the agendas of the ad execs.
Pynewacket
3mo ago
yes, but I would imagine the difficulty of finding him would ramp up in inverse correlation with the notoriety of the person doing the searching. Not unlike someone ducking loan collectors but being readily available to go to the pub with friends.
Pynewacket
3mo ago
Is he there?
But forcing us to use trans people's pronouns (and hence lie)? No, not really. Maybe people might complain about it on internet forums and amongst close friends (I have friend who finds it annoying like you do), but I don't think they'll do anything about it.
The important thing to keep in mind is that the chulthu swims to the left, preferred pronouns may feel like a new issue, but at this point in any sufficiently big organization, it is already claimed territory by the progs. As you say in the preceding paragraph, the new thing is trans kids. I don't think the millions of Americans with compelled speech in their workplace feel very strongly about it, they are fat and lazy and have very comfortable lives, but it will be interesting to see how they deal with their kids being transed.
Pynewacket
3mo ago
"It's not costless to me, compelled speech is my one issue"
Pynewacket
3mo ago
I have a few comments saved, but I don't think it alerts you to responses, you would have to check periodically and keep track of which comments you have already seen.
nothing says "living in the wild" like living in a welfare state, these people live in another reality alright.
Pynewacket
3mo ago
I would like to posit that we need a function like "watch a post" or something to that effect where you are notified everytime the post you are watching is replied to. Very important for contentious topics where you don't want to clutter the thread with useless responses, but want to follow along the conversation and respond in the future if apropiate.
Pynewacket
3mo ago
surely there is a MAGA ymeskhout out there, right?
Pynewacket
4mo ago
but if the rat utopia is any indication, it is also inevitable.
Pynewacket
4mo ago
to be honest that would be a cool aesthetic.
Pynewacket
4mo ago
to that add the "suspension bridge" effect and I would assume they are very, very horny.
Pynewacket
4mo ago
But I don't think either were inspired by The Terminator or other such works of scifi.
we are in agreement on that point then.
would you say that she adopts the opinions of the environment she see herself in regardless of what they are?
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