SkookumTree
2yr ago
So: if I live, I’m now a 4chan-tier autist.
If I die, I’m Chris McCandless 2.0.
Plenty of Natives in Alaska, though…why Greenland?
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Having faced mortal danger after training and preparing, and come back in one piece.
I’ve never seen combat vets have trouble finding dates…no matter how alcoholic or fucked up they are.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
I have a friend who was raised in Alaska and knows Alaska Natives that have lots of experience with the outdoors.
I definitely plan on doing shakedown runs in the mountains when it’s 0 degrees to 20 below.
How will they be able to tell? I’ve heard that both studying martial arts (enough to get good) changes someone indelibly, and surviving combat does so even more. So I figure that surviving being chucked in the middle of the Alaskan wilderness and knowing all the way that a fuckup could mean I’m a human-meat popsicle for wolves or something is gonna change me. Ideally? It’d have a similar effect to war, but without the moral injury and shame.
I’ve been running and carrying rock-filled backpacks in the woods to train, as well as camping in cold weather. I’ve always wanted to see if I had what it took in a survival situation since 12 or 13, to be honest.
I plan to attempt the transition from crazy motherfucker in chat to crazy motherfucker in real life. My dad always said that wackos always seemed to survive better than you expected ‘em to…
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Do you think that it'll work, or has a chance of working?
SkookumTree
2yr ago
I mean...I'm no stranger to the outdoors or wilderness. I've been camping in freezing weather several times; once it even got down to 0 degrees F. So...I guess I've already done something "directionally similar but maybe 1/10,000th the magnitude".
SkookumTree
2yr ago
TRIAL by wager of WILDERNESS.
I have been thinking about something: in ages past, men went to war to prove themselves. They still do, today, and the survivors I have seen return more attractive, although they pay an immense price, and that is only counting those that return more or less in one piece. Now, war is more destructive than it once was, and we don't think highly of war in general, for good reason.
Therefore: I have been training for this for the past year or so. I plan to have myself dumped into the Alaskan wilderness in late February, 50 miles from the nearest road or civilization. I'll walk out, and if I make it out alive, I'll have been hardened by my experience. I'll have stared my own death in the goddamn face, braving temperatures of 40 below 0 just to walk out alive.
Do you think that this will make my ugly, autistic ass any more attractive? I've heard it said that you have never lived until you have almost died, and that tough, masculine men are attractive AF. This seems like something that would harden someone...either permanently, as a rock-solid corpse, or permanently, as a wilderness-hardened man.
TL;DR Is dumping myself in the middle of the woods in Alaska in winter gonna make me more attractive, if I survive?
SkookumTree
2yr ago
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I'm no slouch in the weight room: bench 225 squat 315 dead 345 weigh 160lb @ 5'6". I suppose I could try to look like a physique bodybuilder or something lol.
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I am not sure that $250k is enough to get a Western woman to be with someone she finds disgusting on a visceral, biological level. I suppose that people vary in their disgust tolerance. Certainly my time as a medical student has really altered my feelings around disgust...I don't mind it as much, it doesn't matter as much. Some of my classmates feel differently, some feel the same way. I'd suspect that you need around a million a year to get someone to put up with that kind of disgust...I've heard that Silicon Valley was packed with fit multimillionaire virgins!
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Sounds like that is asking to be divorced. Worse, if you are unlucky and she's quite disgusted by you. Not that there is anything at all wrong with that; I'd do the same in her shoes!
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Eh...I know eight short guys. Four have had partners that I know of; four have not.
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Special Forces colonel. Wound up with a pretty wife that turned out to be an abusive sack of shit.
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Two guys that were built like Greek gods. Think physique bodybuilding competitor. Morbidly obese partners; they were decent human beings as far as I know.
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Future neurosurgeon. Charismatic enough for a career in politics. Has an average-looking fiancee with a decent career.
I know a few short medical students and residents that can't get dates. Family med doc with average charisma and 5'4" ain't enough to get a partner that isn't morbidly obese, unless you're like top 0.1 percent charisma...and if you are that charismatic, medicine's an interesting choice.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with this; selecting some men by lot to be nurses and caretakers for women who need them - whether through bad choices or bad luck - doesn't seem like a terrible system to have going.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Reasonably sure that she would be disgusted by me. I don't blame her for this; in her shoes I'd get as much cash out of the awkward doctor as I could, and then either divorce him (if I was being nice, or at least average) or take out a big life insurance policy on him and get rid of him permanently (if I was really grossed out by him, or felt I could get away with it...maybe due to something like organized-crime connections.) Why sleep with someone you find disgusting on a visceral, biological level any longer than you have to? Especially when there are better options out there.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
When you say short and buff, what exactly do you mean? Because I know short guys (about 165cm) that get laid and form relationships, and they don't look like Jeff Nippard, nor do their wives or girlfriends look like Jabba the Hutt. Nor are some of them particularly rich or successful.
I mean 5'4" guys that look like (and in one case, actually were) amateur physique bodybuilding competitors. Not quite Jeff Nippard tier though. They're not with women that need to use mobility scooters on a regular basis, but they're definitely with morbidly obese women.
The short guys in my medical school class are all focused on their careers; I never saw them with girlfriends. For some reason, the average-height and tall guys seem to date...
SkookumTree
2yr ago
- plastic surgery if it's an unattractive face or jawline or your ears stick out or whatever
Will get this the minute I can afford it.
- weight loss drugs if you're overweight
I'm 5'6 and 160.
- testosterone replacement therapy + personal training if you have a severe lack of muscle mass. (Girls mostly really like muscle mass.)
Hmm. I'm no slouch in the weight room: bench 225, squat 315, deadlift 345.
- that leg-lengthening procedure if your problem is height
Maybe when I'm an attending; the recovery period is long and you never fully recover your athletic potential.
- wigs or medical hair replacement (dunno the clinical term) if you are balding.
As soon as I can afford it!
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Second, most obese women live many years before progressive, chronic conditions slowly begin to disable them. Most do not suffer catastrophic health emergencies in their 30s. Most do not require home health aides at 45.
I'll agree...unless you're 400 pounds and gaining. I knew a woman that had a catastrophic health emergency in her late 20s; she was around 300 pounds. Another friend's mom is 450 and walking with a cane in her early fifties; she's a sprained ankle away from being bedbound.
Third, do not knowingly inflict a knife-wavingly mentally ill mother on children. That is a much worse option than a sane, stable fat woman.
Yeah, agreed. Hell, the kids being supporting members in a My 600-Lb Life episode is probably less traumatic and damaging than that kind of crazy.
And finally, there is no need to signal to a fat woman that you are willing to play nursemaid. She is not looking for a nursemaid. To offer yourself as one will make her feel profoundly unattractive, which will be a huge turn-off.
I'd agree here if she's still fairly mobile and able to hold down a job.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Humility, strength, perhaps children. Why should I be celibate for life, if I can instead be in a relationship with someone that needs a nurse and caretaker - and gain whatever unique wisdom comes from sex and relationships from that experience?
I've known guys who've had it worse. Two Aspies I know had their girlfriends try to stab them. One succeeded and blocked the knife, the other very nearly died from blood loss but made a full recovery. They're in happy relationships with nice people now.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Yeah, agreed.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
there's a huge expanse between "average" and "so fat she can't even hope to wipe her ass any more, either that or a meth addict".
I think that it is unrealistic for me to be with someone that met the standards I once had:
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Not morbidly obese
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Not a danger to herself or others
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Not addicted to hard drugs or alcohol
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Able to work a full-time job, any job
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Able to live independently and manage her own affairs.
I am working on being positive. I've realized a couple of weeks ago that these were basically my options and that it was good to be satisfied and happy with them: if my "niche" is nurse and caretaker, I need to figure out how to fill that niche rather than choosing to be celibate for life. There's plenty of guys that are happy with partners that are a lot worse than "is 500 pounds and needs a nurse and caretaker"; I've seen children that have been raised in those environments and have turned out OK...although that is a bridge that I'll cross if I ever reach it.
Why does caretaking have to be miserable? Pick the least-bad option and be happy with it, is my plan.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Hmm. I mean...I am willing to work on building a social network. I've accepted that I am unlikely to ever be averagely attractive, to be honest. A good social network will help me whether I'm alone, with a partner that needs a nurse and caretaker, or with one that doesn't.
Also: gold diggers exist. I suppose that if you have a large enough pile of cash, someone's willing to hold her nose and accept prostitution on a long term contract. The problem is that most doctors do not amass sufficiently large piles of cash. I'd think around fifty million at least is necessary...
One more thing: I believe that war is one of the best ways to become more attractive, as a man. Provided that you survive in one piece, more or less. Not happier, and every veteran I know paid a very heavy price. That being said: I do intend to have myself dumped into the Alaskan wilderness in late winter, next year, with survival gear. If I survive and walk out, I suppose it might be like war minus the moral injury and risk of being maimed...although maybe the moral injury is an essential part of things.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Those are rare and usually end up with guys a hell of a lot more attractive than me. I don't blame them. It's what I'd do in their shoes. My only real choice is where I want the ambulances. How do I make that happen?
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Yeah. I'm 28. I hope I can be with someone that can live independently and hold a job, any job, and isn't a danger to herself or others. And isn't addicted to hard drugs. Is that too high a standard? The only concern with the drug addicts is trouble from law enforcement.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
You seem extremely optimistic. I've seen short guys built like Greek gods that were with morbidly obese women. A Special Forces colonel with a wife that was an abusive shitbag. Like. I just want someone that's got an excellent chance of being able to wipe their own butt at 60 and live independently. That's it. Just...don't be abusive to me or any kids we have, and be able to live independently till 60.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
Right. That's going to get me a gold digger who's disgusted by me and only in it for the money.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
What: accept that I will be a nurse and caretaker and start working to build a good social network to help me with that?
SkookumTree
2yr ago
I would be interested in C)...what are those transnational ethnicities?
SkookumTree
2yr ago
They were far better at accomplishing their goals than the current crop of Nazis. 'Mustering 50 guys to attend a rally' and 'Running a whole country; very nearly winning a massive world war' aren't even in the same town, much less the same ballpark.
SkookumTree
2yr ago
I am a Westerner. I don't think that it is a great idea for a woman to be with me (or anyone) simply because of a crap-ton of societal pressure - or worse, actual physical coercion. Thanks for the hope - but only morbidly obese women have been interested in me. That, and once someone that later wound up in a psych ward over threats of suicide/homicide during a drunken argument. It was, from what I heard, rather ugly; knives were waved around and cops called.
Interesting that you argue that it's about self-esteem, rather than my autism and subpar physical appearance - I'm a short, bald guy with a puny jaw. Sure. I'm no slouch in the gym and weight room, but even looking like a Greek god only goes so far. I've seen said Greek God(lets).
I will most definitely be wearing proper clothing and carrying food with me as well. The plan is to make a sled by reshaping the plastic from 55 gallon barrels. I have seen canoes made this way. I’ve got a winter jacket that’s damn near Everest grade, down pants, merino wool base layers. I’ll grab some skis, some expedition weight mittens and boots that can handle 40 below, test it in the mountains next winter when it’s like 0 or 20 below, then have myself dumped in the Alaskan forest north of the Arctic Circle and see if I can make it out alive. I’ll take a map, compass, and perhaps a rescue beacon.
You have never lived, ‘till you have almost died, and after life has a flavor that the protected will never know.
The thing here is the extreme remoteness plus the fact that temperatures can dip as low as 40, even 50 below zero. This is cold as fuck and is something I feel might harden the hell out of my soft ass.
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