ZorbaTHut
7mo ago
We're not asking you to not post about it. We're asking you to also post about other stuff.
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
Those are definitely the worst parts, but the rest of it ain't great either - it appears the entire point of this post is to complain about someone doing a thing you don't like. What's the point? Why are you posting it? If it's "these people are doing a bad thing", then it's not a good post; if there's some other reason, go into that.
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
Probably, yeah. Nobody reported you, don't worry about it too much, we'd appreciate picking one of the other options next time :V
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
There are literally people disagreeing with you in the replies. Read those, and don't make universal moral statements if people are going to disagree with you, because then it's not fact, it's opinion.
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
Mod intervention!
It's totally fine to express disagreement with the general concept of trans. It is less fine to make statements that flat-out imply trans is a thing. Not everyone agrees they're "male", and I think this falls under the whole building consensus rule.
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
Unless I'm misunderstanding, "You must adhere to progressive orthodoxy on pronouns or avoid them altogether" does not sound to me like the middle compromise position you're making it out to be.
There's also "you can use 'they' regardless of whether the person in question is OK with it".
I'd say the strong trans-approving position would be "you are required to use the pronouns they want, and if you try to avoid those pronouns, you're a bad person for doing so". We're providing two different ways to avoid that, both of which the extremist left would disapprove of.
I hope, for my unblemished account's sake, that some story about a trans person doesn't become the culture war topic du jour any time soon. I also think that you'd see immense pushback from the community if those rules you propose were actually enforced. I suspect people just haven't read your comment above because it's buried in the previous week's culture war roundup thread.
For what it's worth, this has come up a few times now, and trans has occasionally been in the news between now and then, and it's just never been an issue. I do think you're overstating the issue here.
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
The general antagonism clause applies as it always does, as do a bunch of adjacent rules. No individual word is banned, no individual word makes you exempt from the rest of the rules.
I could write both bannable and perfectly-fine comments with any of those above phrases. If you want to come up with a more specific example, I can tell you how I'd judge it.
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
self-identification as the only criterion which determines which pronouns are OK in the opinion of mods is the the trans activist position, not a neutral one
This is not the only criterion which determines which pronouns are OK. I recommend going and reading it over again.
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
I'm honestly trying to figure out what to do with the sidebar; right now it's kinda just overly cluttered, and I'd like to slim it down. But I'm not sure how.
I've refrained from putting this up just because it doesn't come up often and doesn't seem worth the clutter right now.
Yup, exactly.
(You could also use "she" for the entire history if you wanted.)
ZorbaTHut
10mo ago
Join the Dev discord if you haven't already. That's where development discussion mostly happens, and that's also where the people who took it out originally hang out. I think the first step here is to just come up with a list of stuff that would have to get done.
ZorbaTHut
28d ago
Is this really where the bar of a slur is?
Yeah, frankly. We keep it pretty low.
Are you going to apply this level of sensitivity to everyone?
Yes. If you think someone's pushing the line, report it; if it gets approved and you disagree, you're welcome to ping modmail if you feel strongly about it.
ZorbaTHut
2mo ago
Yeah, it's a little weird because this implies that @loper happened to be the one who made the admin account, and I'm not convinced they're the one who made the admin account because I think they would have mentioned it.
(loper are you the one who made the admin account when the database melted a bunch of hours? if so, that answers that question, I guess)
(also, if so, I'm so curious what you thought was happening)
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
This may now be fixed - someone submitted a review that plausibly fixes the issue. Thank you, contributor!
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
As I said, "everyone finds them slightly uncomfortable". I'll take that over "one side is perfectly happy with it and the other side is not happy at all".
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
We’re supposed to check the history of a person’s consent to pronoun before we refer to them in the simplest way possible, come on. Just let the pronouns go free.
Honestly, if it's a legit mistake, I'm not going to care much. I'm probably just going to say "hey don't use that for that person, thanks". It's more when someone is doing it intentionally and repeatedly that I start telling people to knock it off. I'm not sure we've ever given out a warning for this, let alone a ban.
And remember that gender-neutral pronouns are always acceptable, as is not using pronouns - if you don't want to keep track of what people's identity is, there's two easy global solutions.
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
Man, you've been around here long enough to know that this doesn't fly. Three-day ban and frankly this is lenient because you've been here so long, but, like, that won't last forever, calm down with the accusations.
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
This is both low-effort and building consensus. Put more effort into your arguments and avoid this kind of flat evidence-less claim, please.
ZorbaTHut
5mo ago
The ethics of euthanasia are an interesting topic
Then write something about that, not just "look how bad these people are".
and discussing a general topic through a recent example is a very common thing here
Then start a discussion, instead of just dropping "look how bad these people are".
This particular rule isn't new, it's existed before this branch of the forum has.
https://www.themotte.org/post/757/israel-gaza-megathread-iv/158907?context=8#context
Three most recent posts in the Gaza megathread:
Someone writing about an event
A specific set of four questions to people
A specific single question to people
If anyone's just posting "boy look at how bad these people are" then report them, please.
ZorbaTHut
7mo ago
One of the things I've always kinda tangled with, without a good answer, is how much moderators should be part of the community. I think there's good arguments in both directions; they should because it sucks if it feels like moderators aren't really part of things, and they shouldn't because it's hard to treat "debate with a mod" the same way as "debate with a non-mod", there's always the fear the mod is going to take something personally and ban you.
(We have a sort-of informal rule that mods shouldn't moderate responses to their own comments unless they're really horrible, but there's plenty of places that have stronger rules that are completely ignored regularly, so I don't blame people for being worried about this.)
Not having a moderator badge is sort-of intentional in that I think I'd rather lean towards "moderators are just community members".
It's also sort of coincidental because they didn't have badges when we forked the software and it's easier to not add them than to add them.
ZorbaTHut
8mo ago
Honestly, if you don't notice it quickly, something's gone wrong. But so far I don't have much feedback :V
ZorbaTHut
8mo ago
Bug: when collapsing a comment chain, the page moves down
Is this when you're near the bottom of the page, or does it include when you're in the middle or near the top?
Accessibility issue/personal complaint: animated gifs for user badges are crazy fucking distracting.
I've honestly thought of just turning animation off but haven't had the time to do that. There's probably an easy way to do it.
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