ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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6d ago
But like he said, lots of people want to live there. And who wants laissez-faire anyway?
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
I'm not in America so this isn't about me - I'm mostly worried about the damage to the system from another round of purges. McCarthyism was on track to break the system if it hadn't been stopped by the Army-McCarthy hearings.
I'm trying to find a way to move the conversation forward and not dredge up the past, but when I hear stuff like this it's really hard. Like, how come you never mentioned all your worries about the system when every other anti-woke here was doing so? How come the spectre of McCarthyism didn't worry you enough to bring it up, when it was progressives doing it?
And is "I'm not in America" a good argument for you? Your country is literally arresting people for tweets, and you're worried about people getting fired an ocean away from you?
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
You might be right, but at the moment you're freaking out over getting hit with a fraction of the force you were dishing out over a decade, so I don't know if you're qualified to gauge demand exceeding supply, or who is likely to spiral out of control.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
It's a safe-edgy position
It's only a testament to how far we've come that liberals are describing it as "safe-edgy".
The constant drumbeat of trans bad will just sound like bullying the longer it goes on
We don't need to rely on "trans bad" and bullying. We can go after the doctor Mengeles that pushed the practice on unsuspecting parents of vulnerable children, we can go after corrupt academics, we can go after healthcare providers that cynically used this fad to extract money. We can keep hammering this issue longer than you can imagine, outflanking you from the left as we're doing so.
The true depth of this scandal is yet to hit the mainatream, and if it does, you will be looking at the innocent days of the year of Our Lord 2025 with wistful nostalgia.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
Sorry, I meant "either of [the Trump ones]". The Kirk shooter shack-up is now reported all over the place, so I think it's true.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
Sure, he happened to be signed up with the other party.
Is he? The only specifics on this that I heard of was that he supposedly donated to the Trump campaign... except he didn't. Someone just found a guy in the donation record, with the same first and last name.
Last I heard the shooter was not signed up with any party.
Edit: although from the context it sounds like they're talking about the Trump shooter(s), not the Charlie Kirk one, I don't think either of them shacked up with a transsexual.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
And the comment above yours is filtered ;)
It's not about the numbers, it's about the other side coming to the table and negotiating the terms of a truce. This thing isn't going to end if all we have is radicals who explicitly say the tools are good, if they're only used by them, and centrists who want to limit the conversation to hypocrisy, rather than what should be the rules going forward.
Finally, even once the terms of truce are found, anyone who cares about hypocrisy will be in a bit of a bind, because how do you enforce them if not by cancelling the cancellers?
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
That wasn't just because of the left's cancel culture, it was also because of, but not limited to, it's dogmaticism, aversion to debate with the outgroup, radicalism, and the application of it's rules in a one-sided manner, according to an oppressor-oppressed framework.
I doubt we would have been where we are, if the left satisfied itself with cancelling racists, and otherwise acted normal.
Hopefully we'll all be able to take a step back, and have a conversation about the rules of warfare. A vicious cycle of escalation, ultimately ending in the defeat of the red tribe, is certainly possible, but I don't see how unilateral disarmament ends any better.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
Just pure MAGA hypocrisy. I can't believe I once saw the modern right as an ally in the fight for free speech.
Only if you they're looking tor excuses to not call it cancel culture, otherwise it's about as hypocritic as Ukrainians bombing Russian territory. Centrists that never spoke up against progressive cancel culture, but act outraged now, are much worse than this.
Some have argued that it is not the same thing, due to the disparaging comments being immediate, vs old comments dredged up in an attempt to cancel someone.
Yeah, no, this is cope. If you're going to do it, own it. It's perfectly defensible as retaliation and deterrence, but it's lame as hell to put shit under a microscope to come up with whatever difference you can find, and claim it's salient in a totally not ad-hoc fashion, so you're justified in whatever you're doing.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
if my priest made a Charlie Kirk assassination joke on the pulpit tomorrow morning I'd be offended.
Then the lord said to Moses, "triggered much, snowflake?"
But seriously, I agree. Some time has passed and tempers have cool down, and in the meantime make your jokes in private, with people who you know aren't going to be bothered.
Why the need to "believe"?
Because I do not exist outside time and space, and need to wait for events to unfold, before I know their shape and sequence. Until then I am stuck believing what they will look like, based on what happened in the past.
As a general point: all of this means nothing, if you can't make a prediction. It just shows you feel more comfortable squeezing established facts into your preferred theory, something that is pretty trivial to do, no matter what you believe, for the very reasons you, yourself outline.
And on the specifics:
And of course no mention of the one that’s coded right-wing, If you read this, you’re gay!”, because that one doesn’t fit the narrative
You have backwards. Left wingers are the ones glossing over the bullet that clinches it ("catch that, fascist"), and the "you're gay" one is not even very right-coded. I've seen gay people throw glitter bombs and exclaiming "you're gay now!".
Also the point of my prediction is that upon further investigation we won't need to rely on one-liners scrawled on bullet casings, the wider context will become available.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
It's trivial to come up with justifications for why your theory is correct no matter what, that's why predictions are so important. You should be able to make some that prove your theory correct, and some that prove your theory false.
If you think it's a great way of analysis, the best way to argue for it, is to demonstrate it. If you demand that we do it, and rest your case on a fanfic, the impression you're giving is that you don't think it's of much value either.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
Well, free to provide some scenario that might disprove your theory then, because if you expect the same thing to happen whether your theory is right or wrong, than your theory is not very useful.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
Rationalist napkin math is a terrible form of analysis, but if you think you have the right to expect it from me, why didn't you provide any in support of your argument?
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
I may very well be one of the people losing the battle against my own biases. At the same time, I've seen what I've seen, and I can't unsee it.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
Somewhere in here you were lamenting how the place is just a husk of it's former self. Is your recollection of it's glory days that of people grasping on to typos of their interlocutor, in an attempt to avoid making predictions? Does your tone throughout this conversation represent what you think we should strive for?
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
People don't have memories long enough to recognize it as hypocrisy, and even when they do, overcoming your bias is a very hard struggle that most people will fail at.
Democracy is just the packaging for power anyway.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
I won the majority of the bets I made to date, the ones I have open can plasibly still turn around, but they're looking pretty good, actually, and I paid off my mortgage.
I'm also taking bets on this issue, and I actually think making future predictions is much more productive here than writing fanfics based on your psychoanalysis of the shooter. I believe the incestigations are going to keep turning up evidence that he was a radicalized leftist, and there were no personal motives for his shooting.
ArjinFerman
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7d ago
I have no idea.
Even if such would-be shooters exist, the idea this Robinson is one seems to be justified by absolutely nothing, except the fanfic you wrote.
We've had people dooming and glooming over our decline, and while there were bigger thrads back on reddit, the primary reaaon for reduced activity is that nothing was happening. But when things happen, they happen here as well.
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