ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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1d ago
It's not meant to answer them. All they're doing is asking OP to give some time to the best pro-trans argument, which in their estimation is transmedicalism.
You can dispute that trans-med is representative of the average trans person, and say that the Queer Theory wing of the trans movement has most of the power and influence. Hell, you can even question the validity of the diagnosis itself like I do, but I don't see how you can say they conflated any of the claims you listed with the main claim they actually made.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I don't recall Amadan explaining that to me, but maybe I just forgot or only glanced at his reply at some point
Here.
It doesn't really change my point, thought the fact he's not banned right now is something I'll keep in mind.
Your point was about unfair moderator action, and you linked to that post as an example. What's the point of even "keeping it in mind" if you claim it doesn't change your point?
The conversation I linked is a great example of him not being hostile to anyone involved in the conversation, while people like Amadan are using tons of personal attacks.
For Amadan I can count "you are either being astoundingly clueless or just flat out disingenuous", and maybe "you have actually spouted a ton of bullshit", though applying your criteria it doesn't count since it's an attack on his claim, not on him.
For Darwin it's making a false claim, making another false claim to support the first one, and than declaring "I don't give a fuck about the claim being true". If that doesn't fit your definition of "hostile" I don't know how to convince you. Either way please explain to me how is having issues with this sort of behavior in any way "nebulous".
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I really don't see things recovering from where we are. We're kinda due for a big one, so the only winning move is to take power just before/after a crash happens, so it can't be attributed to you, and recover from there.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Ok, another way I would formulate their point is "the 'trans cult' is not relevant to the average trans person, so please don't limit your discussion of the issue to internet crazies, goofy academics, etc.". This would give you half a point on claim 4, but only half, because "and in fact, every person that declares oneself 'trans person' is automatically suffers from that condition by virtue of that declaration" is not stated anywhere or even implied. Trans-med's are kinda on the outs of the progressive movement precisely because they disagree with that claim.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Darwin was banned for a long time at some point. Is he unbanned now? I thought it was a permaban, but maybe I'm misremembering.
He was banned for a year back on Reddit. He got a clean slate after we moved here, and never got a long term ban after that. And you know that. It was explained to you by Amadan.
I've never seen an example of him getting hostile despite asking people multiple times for examples of his worst posts.
It's the very conversation you linked.
Consistently left-leaning posters have much higher moderator scrutiny and can follow all the rules and still get banned for frivolous rules that plenty of right-leaning accounts violate all the time.
A sentiment completely detached from reality, stemming from left leaning posters being too used to Reddit.
A great example is Darwin, who was a prolific left-leaning poster.
...who isn't banned.
There was plenty of consensus that he was "bad" in some nebulous way, but when I asked repeatedly what was wrong I was only ever given vague runarounds and examples of posts that proved my point like this one, where I disagree with Darwin's political point, but in terms of debate etiquette and rule-following his detractors are massively worse than he ever was.
What's nebulous about this? He confidently asserted something as fact, was shown that he was wrong, and then got hostile about it. Do you think this is good behavior? Why are you even claiming his political point has anything to do with why people think he was bad?
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
You put several claims into one sentence:
I don't think so? I read it more like: even if claims 2-6 are false that does not disprove claim 1. I happen to be pretty skeptical of claim 1 myself, but I'm not seeing any underhanded conflation here.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
One of the links I gave above shows a surprisingly large correlation between gender dysphoria and measurable physical conditions (e.g. atypical oestrogen signalling).
Which one? I clicked all 3, ctrl+F'ed for "atopical" and "oestrogen" and got nothing.
Also, isn't this a bit hasty? Potentially having a physical condition to point to is a good start, not a smoking gun showing this is genuine medical condition.
many pro-trans people are afraid of a "trans cure"
I'd guess the bigger issue is there being objective criteria for telling people they're not trans.
and most anti-trans people see it as a made-up condition and that you fix it by making being trans illegal/socially unacceptable.
Uh, not really. Most anti trans people see it the same way they see anorexia. In both cases some form of distress is driving people to take drastic, detrimental to their health, steps to modify their body. In one case we try to dissuade them from it, in the other the medical establishment decided it's a great idea to do affirmarion only. The part that is seen as made up are the sociological theories on gender identity.
They don't want to make being trans illegal or socially unacceptable, they want to ban medical providers from offering unethical services (again, consider an alterntive world where anorexia clinics are there to help people starve themselves), repeal pro-transt laws and/or remove the social pressure that forces everybody else to play along with trans ideology.
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
But why, though? In my opinion for something to be classified as medical, it need to have some physiological mechanism behind it. I suppose you can say that the condition / phenomenon is real, we just don't quite know the mechanism yet, but in that case the bare minimum would be being able to tell fake cases apart from the real ones. For example doctors were able to tell Tourette's apart from TikTok-Tourette's, do we have anything like that for gender dysphoria?
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Yes. Common Article Two of the Geneva Conventions says that they apply to all wars whether declared or not, providing both parties are signatories or the fighting is happening on the territory of a signatory.
For an undeclared war to be a war, wouldn't it have to involve targeting the military of another state, annexing their territories, etc? If not, why weren't Bush and Obama (and Biden?) officially declared war criminals?
Best? How about worst? Here's a weirdo on X claiming that Google was to online trans social contagion what the Wuhan Institute was to covid.
What's supposed to be so schizo about that? The idea that companies with such a massive reach wouldn't conduct bizarre social experiments is the one that strikes me as implausible.
Also in a similar vein, pornhub was/is also pushing men in that direction
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Gender dysphoria is a genuine medical condition.
What would be the argument for that? Calling anything in psychology a genuine medical condition seems to be a bit of a tall order.
Once the lawyers are done with them, the executive orders will be passed to ChatGPT (sorry, the age of the English-Lit Bro is over) to be reformulated as Dr. Seuss poems, so they're easier to remember.
Can't say I'd complain.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
How deep do you want to dive? What sort of angle do you want to take? Medical / scientific? Sociological / philosophical? I don't think it's a subject that can be covered by a single write up, and worse, I can't think of a single source I could link you that would cover all the beats. Aside from what the others have recommended, I'd give a shout out to Mia Hughes, who has a knack for covering the history of the phenomenon, and digging out it's historical analogoues. She's the author of the WPATH Files (see chapters "A Brief History Of Transgender Medicine And The Early Days Of WPATH" and "Past Cases Of Pseudoscientific Hormonal And Surgical Experiments"), and the recent review of the NYT "The Protocol" podcast.
My go-to references for the pro-trans side are usually people like Jack Turban and Steven Novella & David Gorsky, though these "muh science" arguments have lost a lot of popularity on the pro-side recently, in the wake of the Cass Review (as well as every other systematic review on the subject that has been published to date), so I don't know how far you'll get addressing them.
Zero tinkering over the last week sadly, though judging by the activity in the thread, I'm not the only one.
Any better luck @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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9d ago
How did you interpret "by the numbers" to be about new construction?
ArjinFerman
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10d ago
They didn't even successfully suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story - the failed cover-up attracted far more attention than the story would have done organically.
How do you figure that? It was also algorithmically supressed from what I remember. I doubt it broke out to the normies.
ArjinFerman
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11d ago
It's the chemicals in the water that Alex Jones warned us about.
The main issue is that groyperism doesn't actually fix the problems.
This individualist free market zionism stuff isn't working anymore.
It actually is though. Young white men are being taken advantage of because we aren't individualist and free-market enough.
The thing that doesn't work but makes a big show out of being on people's side will always win over the thing that doesn't work and makes a big show out of hating them. I'd expect the establishment would learn that lessen given who's president again (although, to be fair, it looks like he did make some things work this time).
Oh, but you said that free market individualism does work and doesn't hate anyone, well, too bad it's not in play. The establishment is not free-market individualist, even establishment conservatives aren't. The only people in favor of it are two dozen autistic libertarians, and everyone else who pays lip service to it does so cynically. Everybody loves the free market when they wan't to ship people's jobs to China or import 7 zillion low-wage workers, but come recession they'll suddenly discover all their friends are too big too fail. Everybody loves individualism, but somehow can't be bothered to criticize literally any other collective identity that people organize around bar one (or I suppose two), and heaven forbid someone suggests treating everyone's favorite ethnostate the way any other country is treated.
People see through this stuff. You can't lament that they aren't buying a solution that would actually help them, but that should be the cause for introspection, not just for criticism of others.
ArjinFerman
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13d ago
Okay, I set up my new OS and dev environment more or less the way I like it, and I'm slowly getting back on track. Wrapping up the refactoring work I found one part I was hoping to optimize away. The old version had different views for browsing entries via external APIs and one for browsing the imported entries locally. Part of the refactoring is merging them, and that works fine, but there are a bunch of states (like "is read", "favorites") I'm saving locally, that obviously the API has no way of knowing. A lot of them used to tag-based, which meant I just needed one extra query to fetch them all, and attach to the API-retrieved data, which meant I could display that info pretty easily no matter which view was being used... but it turned a few important ones are actually stored as fields across multiple different tables, so now I'm trying to figure out if I want to come up with some bespoke way to fetch all that info and enrich the data fetched from the API, or just show is as blanked out, and load it on-demand when the user interacts with it.
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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14d ago
Do you think they're doing this?
Just brainstorming ideas.
ArjinFerman
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14d ago
Okay, so a big brain skilled guy like you should easily be able to handle a room full of six month old kids with no prior training or instruction, yeah?
What did I do? I'm arguing your side here!
ArjinFerman
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14d ago
This, of course, is why garbage men and truck drivers are among the most admired and desirable professions.
Not everything is a market, and so not all value is derived from supply and demand. Otherwise jokes like this or this would not land.
The point is that, from a bioessentialist framework, the female role requires little to no particular strength of character. Pregnancy is a completely automatic process, caring for babies may be arduous but is not particularly skilled work, and if you believe the hereditarians, the actual raising of children has little effect on how they turn out.
I'd say in a pure bioessentialist framework there is no such thing as a "female role". You either are a man or a woman, which may have implication as to your strengths and weaknesses, but what you do with that is up to you.
But in any case, I reject the claim. The biological function of conceiving and giving birth might not require any particular strength of character, but motherhood absolutely does. Patience, wisdom, or love, are all strengths of character.
Additionally, none of the above tasks is particularly suited to cooperative effort, stunting the potential for camaraderie; as the saying goes, nine women can't make a baby in one month.
That's... a bizarre way to look at it. There's plenty of room for camaraderie with the father of the children, and with the extended family, and I don't see how the inability to ship off the production of babies to China, to be done at scale, would be a detriment to that.
Thus, if woman's sole or primary duty is to fulfill the female biological role, she will be naturally baser and ignobler than the men she pairs with, who must cultivate virtue in themselves to become capable protectors and providers.
The question, then, is how much impact has this lack of incentive for virtue had on the evolutionary development (or lack thereof) of the female mind. While I personally believe that ingrained differences in potential for virtue between men and women are relatively minimal, what differences exist are surely exaggerated by restrictive norms surrounding women's options for societal contribution.
You're using some strange definition of virtue, because I don't think men's physical strength, ability to rotate shapes in their mind, hand-eye coordination, or what have you, are virtues, so I don't really see a reason to disagree with the statement that the difference in men's and women's potential for virtue are minimal. But if you do associate virtue with these traits than I think you're pretty obviously wrong, social constructivists have been trying for decades force equality, but sex-differences keep reasserting themselves. The idea that there currently are any restrictive norms on women is absurd on it's face.
Finally, you're still not really addressing my point, you're just elaborating on yours. I said that if according to you men and women are the same, and should be judged by the same criteria as men, any failure to perform at the same level as men is proof that they're inferior. It is therefore your framework that robs them of their dignity.
ArjinFerman
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14d ago
How would they know the soldier is gay?
Check his social media?
Ran into another one of those "package covers 99% of my use cases, but god dammit wouldn't it be nice to have that 1%" situations. Not a big deal, but all workaround feel a bit ugly. Otherwise still trying to figure out if unifying local and external api views makes sense.
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
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