@ArjinFerman's banner p

ArjinFerman

Tinfoil Gigachad

2 followers   follows 4 users  
joined 2022 September 05 16:31:45 UTC
Verified Email

				

User ID: 626

ArjinFerman

Tinfoil Gigachad

2 followers   follows 4 users   joined 2022 September 05 16:31:45 UTC

					

No bio...


					

User ID: 626

Verified Email

Blue tribe doesn't have the connotations of "stupid angry white hicks who will come to our village and pogrom us".

How so? They're the ones doing all the "antisemitic" protests that they were complaining so much about.

The Muslim immigration doesn't seem like a viscerally real, tangible problem

Then why were they complaining so much about all thr people celebrating October 7th?

Maybe Jews as a group have too many ancestral memories in their culture to ever end up giving 80% of their money to something like MAGA, at least for the foreseeable future. For them, MAGA has too many unpleasant connotations of past cultures that were violent toward Jews.

What makes MAGA different from the causes they're actually supporting, like infinity Muslim immigration, or the Blue Tribe in general?

Of the examples given, the Jewish source hates TikTok because it spreads anti-semitism, the Christian sources hate TikTok because it's addictive and psychologically harmful, and the Islamic source hates TikTok because it promotes immorality and obscenity. These are all different reasons.

Right, and my point is that of the 3, the "it spreads anti-semitism" reason is a clearly self-serving reason, while the others, even the Muslim one, is concerned with the general good.

I take it as obviously acceptable for a member of a given demographic to be concerned about hatred of that demographic.

Generally speaking, yes, but I was pointing out that I have issues with the particular concerns raised about "anti-semitism".

First, as I already said, other groups are expected to just deal with it to some extent. TikTok, and all the other social media, even mainstream media, also spread anti-Christian hatred, but Christians barely bother complaining about it anymore because no one takes it seriously. I don't see why concerns over antisemitism should be taken more seriously.

Secondly, many of the specific issues raised just plainly aren't instances of hatred. Not liking the state of Israel is not hatred. Neither is covering the creepy Orthodox communities in New Jersey, to take a more recent drama.

On the specifics of this deal, I think the word 'they' is doing all the work for you there, and allows you to smuggle in scary implications. 'They' didn't offer to buy TikTok. 'They' didn't make an offer for Warner Bros. In neither case was an organisation that can credibly claim to represent Jews involved with the offer.

I agree this is at the core of the issue. Look, I get that methodological individualism is a thing, I can even respect it as an intellectual framework, but I'm a bit bothered that people subscribed to it treat it as the null hypothesis, and are free to reject an alternative hypothesis that doesn't meet an arbitrarily set burden of proof, while never having to prove anything themselves.

People don't need a formal organization representing a group, in order to act as a group. We have language, a whole lot of various communications technologies, and status hierarchies, to help us coordinate collective actions. Jewish people are probably better at it than the average group, and it's something I admire about them, but the "it's all just individual preferences, all the way down" denials drive me a bit crazy.

What's the argument here? David Ellison owns too much media?

Only if you think that David Ellison was able to convince the US Senate to force the sale of TikTok further pick him as the purchaser all on his lonesome.

But you can't get from a specific person, David Ellison, to the spooky 'they', meaning Jews as a whole.

I think I can get to there when I consider how many people get deplatformed, demonetized, or outright debanked for crossing them, vs. how rarely it happens when someone crosses any other group. Or how the anti-DEI drama in universities just resulted in whites being discriminated against even harder, while the anti-semitism drama resulted in students being deported for perfectly legal speech. These things, especially in aggregate, don't just happen as a result of random individuals following their preferences.

After The End, what would "red and blue" mean anymore, what recognizable "red culture" would still exist in Fallout universe?

We'll always have Liberty Prime.

But FtttG did say "he might have been able to navigate himself into a position where he really was able to make proactive changes to Google's hiring policies", which is the part he was addressing.

But the original claim was that tech was pro-republican.

And anyway, not really. Being pro-DEI, but anti-"capitalism is systemic plunder of the poor" doesn't make you anti-woke.

Hasn't everybody and their dog been propping up militias in the region for decades? I'm pretty sure I remember reading a headline about the US fighting the very insurgents they've been funding, for example.

There was some Tyrion Lannister quip about how difficult it is to rule without the rest of the elites on your side but I can't quite recall it. Anyway, compare and contrast with Trump's first term, the difference between how effectively he's been able to implement his decisions, is precisely equal to the power the Blob has.

But I suppose my position is that insofar as there is lots of anti-semitism on TikTok, I think it is understandable and non-conspiratorial that Jews dislike this and want something to be done about it. I think there is a meaningful difference between that and positing backroom deals or conspiracies among Jewish elites to acquire TikTok

Even if it is so, it does show that your earlier "there's nothing special about Jews hating TikTok, Christians, Muslims, and Atheists hate it too" is wrong. The latter hate it for universal good reason, the former only for self-interested reasons.

I don't know if I agree that it's understandable either. Between them having a habit of framing any form of criticism as bigotry, and the sort of attacks that they're complaining about being seen as pretty mundane when they're done to other groups, I really don't see why they shouldn't just learn to deal with it like everyone else did.

Even if it was understandable, that doesn't make it non-conspiratorial. They didn't just so happen to offer to buy TikTok, and the Chinese didn't just so happen to accept the offer, this was all a result of pressure from the American government. Once the US forced the sale, they also weren't the ones that just so happened to offer the highest bid in an open auction. This is almost certainly a result of shady elites picking and choosing favorites.

Not being a literal communist is not the same thing as being "pro Republican".

So the answer to my #KillAllMen question is "yes"?

Thus in this case, some Jewish organisations hate TikTok. Okay. But Christian organisations also hate TikTok. Muslim organisations hate TikTok. Secular groups hate TikTok. I hate TikTok.

And among those, doesn't "Tiktok is bad because it's antisemitic" stand out like a sore thumb? When they bought Tiktok, did they change it to stop it from being brainrot, or were they completely happy to keep the brainrot as long as it wasn't "antisemitic"?

Was everyone posting #KillAllMen a threat to men?

Sure, such chants probably mean they don't like them very much, but even murderous hate is not the same thing as being a threat.

You could have a car that refuses to take you to the casino because you've gambled enough this month.

Back during Covid, Trudeau was already musing about why are the truckers even able to drive into the capital like that.

So much tension could be relieved, if all the other conspiracy theories went like this:

- There's a part of our country that's actually functional

- It must be the Jews!

I feel bad for the women that ended up locked up with him, but hopefully he is just a troll, and not an actual psycho.

There are no roaming death squads of extremists hunting down trans people

No, just individual bad apples and a barrelful of bystanders who would never personally do anything so vulgar as beat up a todger-bearer-at-birth for being insufficiently masculine, but who don't see it as being as bad as a 'normal' person suffering the same fate. (With their definition of 'normal' being less 'people on the bus' and more 'people at the church sponsored ice cream social'.)

If this justifies the "trans genocide" rhetoric, then similar rhetoric about transgenders (that is: they're the genocidal ones) is even more justified.

I think some time ago I PMed you where I was at. It's not exactly rural, but my impression is it's still seen as relatively conservative. I think the girl's father lives in one of the wokest parts of the country though, so that could have contributed to the contagion.

I kinda do.

Yup, €10K, thanks to the recently(ish) passed Selbstbestimmungsgesetz. It already resulted in a peak-Germany situation where a neonazi got jailed for neonazism, had a sudden sentencing-day transition, and started suing people for being referred to as anything other than a stunning and brave woman.

if "trans people" actually existed, outside of a few basement dwellers nobody ever sees in daylight.

Eh, much like everywhere else, the average transgender case changed from weird middle-aged dude that likes to throw on a dress, to autistic adolescent girl having trouble making sense of her place in the world.

It's common enough that I've actually seen the latter organically (i.e. not because I'm obsessed with the subject)

Yeah, but over there misgendering is also punishable with rather large fines.

And we know for a fact that they share your assessment of the threat the Somalis represent? Also "sworn enemies" seems like a stretch, didn't Israel formally recognize Somaliland recently?

I'm not sure if the implication is that this contingent approves of Somali muslims ripping off US/MN welfare programs,

Why would it be? He's pointing out that a tiny group of people can get the US government to commit drastic action, even when it's unpopular with most people, while things that are popular with the voting base of the current government somehow never get done.

It's a conspiracy, because every time someone points to the disproportionate influence of the tony group, they get called a conspiracy theorist.

You can go into just about any 4chan thread to convince yourself of the existence of such people. It's just that once you filter out the LARPing, the incompetent, the cowardly and the ones who rationally decide that the legal consequences are not worth it, not a lot remain.

Can you give an example? The typical chud joke is mocking the high suicide rates of the group, not threatening to kill them. I don't go to 4chan, so I might end up surprised, but I'm pretty skeptical your claim can be substantiated by clicking on a random thread there.

Quite good. I haven't spent that much time with Godot, so take it for what it's worth, but I can't say I noticed a difference between the two.