ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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36m ago
In any world where AI is good enough to replace all or most work then it can be put towards the task of improving AI.
Yeah, "make a completely unsubstantiated statement in order to justify a singular focus on fanciful scenarios that you don't know will ever take place" is exactly the sort of thing that prevents me from taking the field seriously.
Alignment is about existential risk, we don't need a special new branch of philosophy and ethics to discuss labor automation
The issue isn't even labor automation, it's things like "we now have technology that makes the world of 1984 possible", and we're already there without even reaching full labor automation. It's just a question of building out infrastructure, and this isn't even one of the more imaginative scenarios.
Calling it non-existential is cope. As a threat it's far more likely, and we have zero counter-measures for it. Focusing on scenarios that we don't even know are possible over ones we know are possible, and we are visibly heading towards them, is exactly my criticism.
ArjinFerman
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1hr ago
Yeah, but... how is that news? Trump having a massive ego is something everyone who took one look at the guy has a massive ego. What's more I don't know if it can be any other way for someone in his position. Years ago I was watching one of Ethan van Sciver's streams (an ex-DC Comics guy for the unfamiliar), and he got into some drama with some indie guy from Brazil. The Brazilian guy posted something on Twitter to the effect of that he's making the best comic book in the history of the world, and when the stream audience saw that, superchats started rolling in taking the piss out of the guy. Funnily enough van Sciver came to his defense, he said "You guys don't get it, he's doing it right. You need to have a massive ego in this field, because if you don't, the amount of negative feedback you get will make you crumble". If this is true for comic book artists, I really don't see how it can be any other way for politicians.
You could try to argue that his particular brand of narcissism is particularly destructive for a world leader, but is it really that unique? Was Angela Merkel bringing over ~1.5 million Syrians and Afghans, and brushing off all concerns with a mere "we'll manage it" all that different?
ArjinFerman
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2hr ago
Yeah. These middle-ground scenarios are so absurdly under-discussed that I can't help but see the entire field of AI-safety as a complete clownshow. It doesn't even take a lot of imagination to outline them.
ArjinFerman
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2hr ago
Uh... now that you mention it, I'm not sure. I could swear that in the past it was a one-man operation.
ArjinFerman
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3hr ago
It does sound like a reasonable assumption at first, if we want to be honest.
If we want to be honest, no, it doesn't. It requires one to have absolutely no theory of mind, to believe that what people hate about angry purple-haired thots, is them being angry, and having purple hair. If they're particularly high on their own supply they might also believe that they hate them for being women. It is only with these assumptions that the idea makes any semblance of sense.
if your goal is to create a fictional right-wing character who’s a repulsive woman by normie standards, surely this task cannot be that hard, can it? I mean, maybe just make her an obese, frumpy, obnoxious chavette. Maybe also a single mother and a smoker to boot. There’s no way such a character will compel thirsty dudebros to create piles of fanart of her.
No, you still don't get it. You'd have to make her a literal goblin, and even that wouldn't guarantee the effect.
Side note: the Know Your Meme guy is without doubt the single best living journalist/editor on planet Earth.
Are we just gonna skip over how Trump ended up with a mugshot being taken, and "muh 34 felonies"? If you're including pardons, why ignore Biden's signoff pardoning Faucci, his son, and a bunch of other people for anything they could have possibly been charged with, before any accusation was even made?
I think that the politicization of the DoJ is bad no matter who is in charge, and I will grant you that the Dems started the circle, but clearly Trump drove it to new heights.
That's a reasonable position, but I don't know if you can derive "turnabout is fair play" from it.
I do not see this as particularly bad. Trump is running the DoJ as a weapon against his enemies, so turnabout would be fair.
If turnabout is fair, then what he's doing right now is fair, and any retaliation would just be a new aggression.
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
What good is retaining their illegal status, if enforcing it somehow "reveals the preference" for revoking it?
ArjinFerman
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10hr ago
Sooner or later ICE will have to go after more central examples of illegals: Joses in restaurants and hotels, on farms and construction sites.
It's possible that by that time the anti-ICE movement will have discredited itself so much that no one will care.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
What makes you think they are caused by a single core issue, rather than one side being right and the other wrong? Even children learns the simple tactic of pretending they were aggressed upon even though they know perfectly well they started shit. Why should we assume this is different?
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
But the "one of their own" in question was acting in an absolutely unhinged, uncharacteristic of women with children, manner, which got her killed in the first place.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Oof, ok, have to take the L on this week. Had better luck @Southkraut?
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
If you see a practical way of Europe challenging the US, by all means outline it. Putin pays his soldiers, is Europe supposed to do the same while maintaining it's welfare state, or do you think we're likely to ditch it? Where is their ammo coming from? We literally ran out of bombs when ousting Gaddafi. Do you think we'll be as good as the Americans at logistics, and we'll be able to project our power all the way to Greenland well enough to give the Americans a run for their money?
I'm not sure why some random podcaster saying this is particularly interesting
Not saying this is the case here, but randos can easily turn out to be more representative of a movement than official leadership. For example, for years people here were saying that "social justice" / woke is not representative of the mainstream left, even though it took over pretty much the entirety of the movement, the corporate sector and the government. Many were even denying it even exists as a coherent ideology right up until Trump won for a second time, and they switched to declaring it dead.
ArjinFerman
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4d ago
I'm asking whether we know that that's what she was accused of
And I'm saying that's an unreasonable question. Cops don't have to fill out paperwork prior to attempting to detain people, so barring mind-reading abilities I have no way of finding out what he was thinking when arresting her.
and whether she was in fact doing that.
You won't be able to tell until she's convicted in court, and since she's dead, she's not going to be. But that aside, seriously... you really can't tell whether or not she was obstructing a federal agent?
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
So is safety social net.
We were patting themselves on the back about our social safety nets and how they lower criminality for decades. Then we imported 7 zillion Middle-Easterners and Africans. We don't pat ourselves on thr back so much anymore.
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
It's only brought to court if a prosecutor doesn't think it's self-defense, and accuses you of something more serious.
(In)famously, the prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case said that if the mob ended up killing him, he wouldn't have brought charges, for example.
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
If you are saying that he did it but not intentionally,
He was in the way of the car, but not with the goal to block it.
I'd reply that creating an excuse for lethal force unintentionally is jabout as bad as doing it intentionally,
Every arrest is an excuse for using lethal force, if the suspect insists on acting dangerously.
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
In this case it takes two to choose.
No, it doesn't He wasn't putting himself as a roadblock. You can argue he should have been more careful and thought about all the things that can go wrong, but the argument is pretty dubious. Arresting people is inherently dangerous, and they can fuck you up whether you're in front of the car or approaching it from the side. But setting it aside for the sake of argument, a tactical error does not negate your right to self defense.
She on the other hand had the actual choice of simply not putting anyone's life in danger.
Unless you're really aiming the car at the police intentionally
Whether you're doing it intentionally or not is irrelevant, thr police can't read your mind.
Even if they did, and in her mind she would pull off some badass maneuver to escape without hitting anyone, there's still the issue of thr car's actual trajectory which did hit the guy, and would hit him harder and sooner were it not for the ice on the road.
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
They can shoot you if you drive at them, but they can't shoot you if you are just fleeing.
Right, which is the scenario relevant to the discussed case.
If not, don't have policies whose effect is that it's hard to distinguish between fleeing and driving at them
There's nothing to distinguish. It doesn't matter if you were "just" fleeing, if you do so by means of driving your car at the police. If you choose to do that, you are putting their life in danger, and they have a right to defend themselves.
The police are not permitted to shoot you if you floor your car to get away.
Yes they are, if you floor it at them. We've been sharing this video that shows what happens when they're not fast enough. Another poster mentioned they were watching police cam videos in thr wake of BLM and seen plenty of cases of policemen shooting cars driving at them, all of which were ruled justified.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
The difference is that in that case the officer would be shooting people who are intentionally violent, not nonviolent people who looked violent because the officer set up the situation in a way that made it hard to tell.
The police arrests people for non-violent offenses all the time, you still don't get to floor it to get away from them, and flooring your car at them is violent in itself.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
The officer was not in front of the car when she began backing up. Her reverse maneuver is what put him (barely) there.
Eh... the way I see it, it's kinda both, he was walking from the right to the left side of the car. Though funnily enough this also means he was putting himself out of harm's way, by doing exactly what everyone here is screaming at him about.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
negate or at least seriously make harder whether the agent can claim fear for his life, even if he did.
That's absurd. Even if you claim he should have seen it coming (which creates an interesting tension between the claims of how she was just a totally harmless mom, but should have been treated as a complete sociopath at all times), him not seeing the danger when he walked around the car does not negate the fear for his life once she decided to floor it.
It's not just automation, the discussed scenario was " AI gets just strong enough to keep the resulting bunch of purposeless, humiliated humans under control". My emphasis would be on the "under control" part. Even when discussing automation, they have tendency of veering off into fantasy scenarios of full-automation, when the more likely ones are comparative-advantage mediated push towards menial labor in service of the AI god.
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