hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
14hr ago
Ok, but on an individual level, don’t you want a solution that works for you, not someone to validate your feelings?
hydroacetylene
4d ago
Middle class whites should not plan on doing crappy grunt work for a living. A certain amount of unfair labor practices is necessary to keep a society running and as far as I'm concerned a few Oaxacans and Hondurans are a win-win way to get that done. We don't need to import millions of welfare cases and deliveroo drivers but turning a blind eye to some construction and agriculture workers of questionable legality is better for everyone.
The underclass already lives a very similar lifestyle, just more degenerate. It would be great if they could be forced to do more work and less drugs, I just have little faith in their ability to do so(we're several generations past the point at which people who are willing to do work instead of drugs stop being poor in this country).
White non-underclass youths that want to make something of themselves usually do; they go from digging ditches for a plumber to assisting the plumber laying pipe to being a plumber themselves. I don't see the problem unless it's with 'there are Hispanics in the vicinity'.
hydroacetylene
4d ago
Yes, you can charm white liberal arts major women into doing farming for a few months at a time, and there will always be guys showing up to agglomerations of naive and easy women. But if hippie communes were able to compete with migrant worker driven industrial agriculture they'd be doing it; there's certainly enough market for organic goods.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
You are not exactly talking about the class valence of the attitudes in my post(c'mon, 'shotgun weddings are trashy' is the lowest hanging fruit ever) or interrogating the implied racial attitudes.
hydroacetylene
4d ago
The QoL of agricultural grunt workers has, in every society in history, been pretty bad. Yes, you can entice some college kids to do a bit of it over the summer for unlimited booze and sex, but I am very skeptical they'll do enough of it to replace migrants. 'Picking crops' is just a job that always inherently sucks.
The cost advantage of illegals is also not the only reason that illegals are preferred by lower blue collar employers; I don't know if you've met native white and black trash but they're both just awful. Drugs, dysfunctional relationships, poor communication and attendance, legal issues, poor conflict-management, unreliability, theft and dishonesty, laziness, etc are way worse among our native underclass- and illegals are themselves not necessarily role models with that stuff. Lots of them are essentially unemployable because that's who's left over in a society like the US where huge majorities of functional and capable people 'make it' out of having to do shitty unskilled labor for a living.
hydroacetylene
4d ago
The point was you can get significantly below market(and priced to match) housing really easily. You don't need to be plugged into the wetback network, and roustabouts are not known for their robust network building anyways. Go ask around at waffle house. Look on craigslist. The white trash underclass lives in very similar conditions, after all. Non underclass whites don't do this, but that's because they don't want to.
There's this motte conceit that you can't live like the other half. Yeah, you can, and pretty easily too.
hydroacetylene
4d ago
They often live in illegal accommodations, requiring less funds, and these require a network that natives aren’t a part of
You, as a white American, can find these illegal accommodations really easily. Craigslist has some of them listed, but you can also just go to the back of a restaurant kitchen and ask.
Illegals are preferred to the native underclass partly because they cost less, but much more because they just cause less trouble, and the standard of living difference isn't the main driver of the cost difference- the native underclass uses their extra income over illegals for drugs, not better food or accommodations(and illegals probably make up for their lower hourly rate by working longer hours anyways).
hydroacetylene
1d ago
Because it’s already happening and blue America has neither the consistent control nor the willingness to put in the work to stop it.
hydroacetylene
4d ago
yet there may be a lesson present about engaging in drug transactions with someone covered in face/neck/head tattoos.
I'm pretty sure that the number of drug dealers without tattoos rounds to 0.
hydroacetylene
10hr ago
Eh, it's entirely possible to adopt some 85 IQ child and raise them to be a perfectly productive truck driver or whatever, and it doesn't destroy your life. At a certain point society needs bricklayers- rather more than it needs more sysadmins.
hydroacetylene
10hr ago
Trust me you don't have more illegal Guatemalans than Texas, yet I see plenty of white teens working as cashiers, waiters, baristas, babysitters, etc.
hydroacetylene
15hr ago
Bridesprices are Lindy(as is borrowing from Shylock to afford it), though, and most urban European women from the high Middle Ages until the first sexual revolution married in their twenties- post conventional college age.
It’s true that those women were generally not spending their time getting certificates in literacy, but in broad strokes it’s nothing unusual.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
This suggests that the problem will self-extinguish as pillarization results in parallel status hierarchies in red and blue America.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
You think this is bad, wait until AI can make realistic toddler robots.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
Nor the ‘shove mentally ill sex offenders in segregated spaces’ plan.
hydroacetylene
4d ago
Meatpacking plants happily hire American citizens. It's just a shitty job, so staffing is always hard, so illegals get hired because they're used to shitty jobs.
hydroacetylene
4d ago
I'm going to push back on this- no doubt you can get some heiresses to work on the partyfarm, but agricultural work is sufficiently terrible that it requires non-free or at least desperate labor to get done in sufficient quantities. Guatemalans, convicts, helots, the corvee- this is who's always done heavy farm work.
Now operating machines is fun and sexy and high status, so mechanization changes that, but some farming will probably never be mechanized. The alternative to strawberry pickers from Chiapas is either a) enslaved strawberry pickers[in America, these would probably be prisoners] or b) not having strawberries. Now migrant labor doesn't have to change the demographics of the country- we could send them back to Honduras or Oaxaca or wherever to enjoy their pay in a much lower cost of living locale when the season is over- but let's be real here, America isn't going to do the smart thing.
hydroacetylene
10hr ago
Why are these million women single if they're desirable? Clearly men are passing on them for some reason.
hydroacetylene
16hr ago
Because blessings give grace and strength to the faithful.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Trump is not necessarily going to do the smart thing.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
There's lots of people who make moral judgements of tattooing. Older women do so quite regularly.
hydroacetylene
3d ago
if you know you're not, what could possibly convince you to hesitate at the last second?
The Epstein data has been released. There is no intact 'list'; it was destroyed at the same time as Epstein died, or shortly thereafter. Trump thinks bullshitting about how it's no big deal is a better move than coming clean that they don't actually have much data.
hydroacetylene
4d ago
As I keep saying, the conditions required to 'keep farms running so we can stock the shelves with a variety of produce' are not great, and first worlders will not do it without compulsion(or, I suppose, being deluded into halfway doing this for brief periods of time on partyfarms). Likewise lots of heavy construction labor etc.
Americans should mow their own lawns, watch their own children, etc. But the idea that we can replace illegal migrants and roustabouts with middle class whites is farcical. Manual laborers are by definition not middle class, at least when they're doing temporary grunt work.
hydroacetylene
2d ago
Elon could at least conceivably give up all his wealth, his titles, his positions of symbolic authority, and start from zero. Because the male body has little to no intrinsic value, it's easier for men to become a "blank slate". But when your body itself is the source of this overbearing value? That's a bit harder to rid yourself of.
The lindy way for high status men to do this is to enter a monastery(and honestly, while I'm not expecting Elon to do this, it'd be the least surprising tech billionaire). This option is also open to women; both Christian and Buddhist monasteries have convents to go with them.
I doubt this. DFW is much more heavily Hispanic than Fairfax(citation not needed) and white fast food workers are a dime a dozen. They seem to be concentrated in the front of house with Hispanics working the fryer, but McDonalds will clearly hire english-speaking cashiers.
I suspect white teens in Fairfax simply don't want to work fast food, either because their parents want them to do something else(maybe more school), or because they have less desire for spending money, or whatever.
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