hydroacetylene
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hydroacetylene
6d ago
Housewives, especially with children, are doing valuable and productive work which simply doesn't contribute to corporate bottom lines. They're doing less of it than they did in the past, but men also work fewer hours(six twelves was literally considered a desirable schedule at one point!).
hydroacetylene
6d ago
You could live in a trailer- much cheaper than a single family house. Or you could live in not California or the NYC metro area. Kansas City isn't the end of the world. The majority of the country doesn't have $2 million dollar starter homes by any metric.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
It's called the CLEP exam. You can take a CLEP test at any community college to test out of the course and then transfer it to a public university(which the majority of students attend).
hydroacetylene
6d ago
Uh, this is senoritas just not eating enough when they're still trying to land a husband. Not 'healthy' food, which isn't going to be a big selling point for a potential husband anyways(no, your tradwife fantasy doesn't entail coming home to a nice kale salad either). Of course they stop the crash dieting when the mission is accomplished- nobody likes it.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
Fair, but also women care less about men's looks than men do about women's. Might I suggest 'funny' would be a better adjective?
hydroacetylene
6d ago
So a couple of things to bear in mind about the fifties in this discussion:
-Upper class women before the long fifties did not scrub their own baseboards. Upper class women after the long fifties do not scrub their own baseboards. Upper class women during the long fifties, scrubbed their own baseboards. The historical aberration of 'everyone except the true societal elites has housewives who do their own housework, including the stuff that really sucks' was a historical aberration, and upper class women were not used to scrubbing toilets and ironing underwear(yes, fifties undies needed to be ironed). Upper class women were also the ones that launched second wave feminism.
-Fifties women were the happiest women, on average, since data became reliable. This isn't all self reports either- everything correlates.
-Women today still choose to cut their standard of living by working less when they are securely and happily married, and this is such a trend that it shows up in national level economic data.
-Sixties/seventies feminists had a number of hard cases that wouldn't happen today to use to make their point. Poor enforcement of domestic violence laws, much higher male alcoholism rates, a generally poorer society, and difficult divorce meant that there were more women trapped in bad situations. And a highly mobile society with shitty communications technology meant that women were also more likely to get into bad situations. Feminism tends to fall back on hard cases to make its point.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
You had to memorize the periodic table? We had to learn how to use it, what the rows and columns meant(not that I remembered), that sort of stuff. But it was about learning to use a reference and not about memorizing the reference, that would obviate the point of having a reference.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
Indeed, both sexes are in practice willing to reduce their standard of living for happier family life.
We should stop the propaganda campaign telling young people that's impossible.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
IIRC conservative gender roles are measured by how many women work traditionally male jobs, not by female workforce participation- because female workforce participation is often initially driven by poverty, market penetration, etc. as much as feminism. 'Excluding women from certain lines of work' appears to be the sine qua non of conservative gender roles.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
I've seen women start in the trades. Bosses discriminate, but not enough to actually stop them.
Heterosexual women invariably need fewer, more predictable hours and get stuck in particular niches. Lesbians might make it though.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
It mostly isn't the businesses themselves pushing for women in construction. Construction businesses will hire, literally, anyone. That's why illegals and drug addicts do it. But businesses don't care who they hire.
These woke 'women in construction' pushes are executed through industry advocacy groups and unions(which have time for bullshit). Not through businesses, which have long since made their peace with hiring out of the probation office(they just wish they could get more people). They'll play along, because they'll give anyone a chance. But it's important to bear in mind that it's a push by groups which have time for BS and it doesn't work very well.
Now, can our society go back to a one-income society? Yes, quite easily, housewives are not unicorns and are found at all income levels. The question is will our society make the sacrifices required. I think it should, others think it shouldn't, but it is obviously possible.
hydroacetylene
6d ago
Japan and our little brown brothers in the Philippines have many reasons to be very concerned, and we're the global hegemon.
I mean you know workers in the workforce also work fewer hours, right? We're a wealthier society and people don't work as long.
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