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58m ago
The law of one price is strong, but the question is whether those crappy jobs would pay more (to attract US citizens) if illegal immigrants were not available.
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1hr ago
Given that most haven't killed themselves, I think it shows that even for them the issue of being an Incel isn't a life-or-death one.
Being involuntarily celibate is a current state, not necessarily a permanent one. I imagine a non-negligible chunk of them would kill themselves if they somehow knew that they would never have sex/kids (I'd strongly consider it), but that's not actually a thing you can know for sure.
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13hr ago
Remember, men provide, women select.
If less providers, selectors don't get to be as picky, (and each individual provider becomes more important), so the political power of selectors in aggregate decreases (a seller's market). If more providers, selectors get to be pickier, so the political power of selectors increases (a buyer's market). This is socio-economics 101.
@Bombadil is concerned, AIUI, about the possibility of a majority-feminist democracy removing a bunch of legal rights from men. You're using economic theorems that are founded on the assumption that both the buyer and seller are free citizens - that they have the option of walking away status quo ante. A slave can't walk away; his master (or, I suppose, mistress) can unilaterally torture him if he does not accept the deal, which tends to make his bargaining position pretty awful (and let's not get into the abuse of psychiatric drugs to remove his ability to refuse).
I personally, upon reading @Testing's OP, had more immediate/prosaic concerns, although still based on the "one person, one vote" point; the sex disparity in attitudes to liberty is huge (note that it mostly persists even for Red-coded oppression; this isn't just an artifact of the majority of women being Blue Tribe), and I'd worry about all the usual failure modes of hewing the legs from under liberty as a societal principle (including economic stagnation, for starters).
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14hr ago
It'd be a bit tricky to do that via gamete selection.
Also, I seem to recall we've had a few people here make such suggestions; whence your confidence?
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1d ago
I mean, "the civil defence sirens went off" would be a bit hard to link but, during a crisis, would be a pretty-good sign that it's not a hoax. (Seeing a mushroom cloud would be an extremely-good sign, but I suppose you could attach a pic.)
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2d ago
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Yes, but that wasn't an assassination. That was a guy shooting up a bank because he was tripping on magic sunglasses. Also, it wasn't real.
EDIT: Though, to be fair, this guy did seem to want to kill a lot of people, not just Trump.
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2d ago
The amount of celebration there seems pretty minimal. Huge amount of false-flag accusations and jokes, but not much celebration.
(This makes sense, even from a maximally-uncharitable view. They might be deluded enough to think that Trump getting shot dead would be good for them, but it's obvious that a failed assassination attempt wouldn't benefit their cause.)
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2d ago
In theory, yes, but the amount needed to kill everyone exceeds the amount of nukes that have ever been built.
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2d ago
Haven't seen that.
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2d ago
Who is "she"? I don't see any women mentioned in this chain.
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2d ago
It's not that hard to survive a nuclear war, though location's rather important. I'd expect a number of us to survive, particularly me.
That said, you'd expect EMP to sever communications and power grids, so it would indeed not be up for long.
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2d ago
Nah. Religion might be especially good at eliciting it, but at the very least there's plenty of the "my life's not worth anything anyway" crowd on that side of the tracks.
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2d ago
Do men like that even exist?
Yes, although if I'm any indication they're at high risk for gender dysphoria.
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2d ago
Yeah, it also gets complicated when your same-sex parent has been married multiple times, as the implicit terms are "with nothing else for the rest of your life" even if your same-sex parent did in fact have other romances at other points in his life.
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2d ago
Watch out for reverse causation there; a bun in the oven is frequently a trigger for people to actually tie the knot.
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2d ago
I assume the "total nuclear war" exception extends to anything that's an imminent and significant emergency warning for theMotte or a large fraction of its members? "Carrington-class flare incoming, unplug all your electronics ASAP", that sort of thing?
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2d ago
But then, if you're rushing to The Motte to write a post after total nuclear war starts, you might want to reconsider your competence at making decisions.
Depends on how much prep you already have done. Most of the relevant stuff can be done either well in advance or when the crisis starts.
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3d ago
"Choad".
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3d ago
If you want the hard-boiled, fuck-your-sensitivity argument against using it to describe the condition that used to be called "mental retardation": because "retarded" is a euphemism (at least originally) that's not accurate. Developmental retardation is "slowing"; things develop later. (Autistics' motor co-ordination is retarded; it usually shows up in full, but it does so at a later age. I was practically unable to catch a ball until midway through high school.) But low-IQ people will never develop their mental faculties to normal adult levels. "Idiot"/"imbecile"/"moron" don't have this problem (neither does "intellectually disabled", though).
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4d ago
There's no "killing" in debates,
Eh, there kind of is. The cancellation movement inflicted RL punishments for people's Internet speech (including, outside the US, some people being jailed), and even in the literal sense it's not usually impossible to track down someone from the Internet and murder him (though there are a few on theMotte in particular who have taken massive precautions against that).
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4d ago
The harm from Jim Crow was largely not from the suppression of Black talent, but in the message it sent to the Black man - that even after he was freed, he was still the White man's strict social inferior.
I feel I should note that I could switch some words around in this sentence ("suppression of male talent", "the woman's social inferior") and then draw a line between DIE and "quiet quitting".
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4d ago
Marxbro might have been one, but I'm not sure, and I think he was gone before the site move.
Other than that, I don't think so. There's at least one socialist here (me), but AIUI "tankies" refers pretty specifically to the Leninist/Stalinist authoritarian revolutionary socialists, and I'm not one of those. (Stalin was one of history's great villains; the post-Stalin USSR gets perhaps a worse rap than it deserves but was still pretty mediocre.)
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4d ago
I'd estimate the proportion of the population who has bloodthirst relating to some category of people, in the West, at over 10%. Might even be a majority; I dunno.
How do you propose to make a significant fraction of the population stop being "in your country"? This isn't something that's super-genetic, either; you're talking about killing or exiling members of most families. This idea is civil war bait, no matter how many times you repeat it.
Humans will always have some tendency to think this way. No amount of angry declarations will change that. There exist ways to keep it mostly under control, and every civilisation has made some use of those ways. We should probably be using some of those ways a bit more; serving up Shiri's Scissor to the population was pretty dumb. But your proposed solution is nonsense.
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5d ago
The list you cited is not very good because it looks at percentage points.
It's not ordered by percentage points. The first four are literally in reverse order of percentage-point difference. The list is bad, but not because it uses that measure (which I think is okay) - because it doesn't use any measure and is apparently just an arbitrary order.
If we have ASI, all the motivations for this are moot. Crime is impossible, disease doesn't exist, everyone lives forever. Or everyone is dead, women and men alike.
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