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magic9mushroom
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1d ago
Because parent can cut off the access to the credit, while the child can never do the same.
My point is that while men as a whole could in theory do this, a man for the most part cannot actually do this because enslaving women is illegal. You are eliding a large co-ordination problem; for this to occur without massive bloodshed, all the men would have to agree on this and have common knowledge of their agreement, despite the various societal measures deployed in many nations to prevent that agreement and that common knowledge. Furthermore, they would then have to directly commit a lawless act by chucking out their women's rights laws (and in many cases women's rights constitutional provisions) outside the constitutionally-prescribed mechanisms, and yet still maintain enough regard for those constitutions and the rest of their laws to not immediately degenerate into civil war over what other laws should be chucked out (or dictatorship, as "the military is supposed to uphold popular sovereignty, not do whatever the guy in the big chair says" is also part of respect for constitutions).
Thought experiment: group A and group B live on an island together. Every member of group A has a big red button; no member of group B has such a button. If a day goes by with less than 10% of the buttons pushed, everyone who pushed a button has a heart attack. If a day goes by with between 10% and 95% of the buttons pushed, the island's volcano goes Krakatoa and everybody dies. If a day goes by with over 95% of the buttons pushed, group B are enslaved by group A. Does group A have any practical capability to use the buttons to enslave group B? No, not without some form of explicit co-ordination to make sure they all push the buttons on the same day. Even threats to push the button are empty without the ability to explicitly co-ordinate over 10% of group A.
Yes, if there were a civil war that boiled down to Men vs. Women, the men would win. But this does not mean that "men" can, in practice in a Western country that's not undergoing civil war, revoke women's rights. Orcus will stay on his throne, one bony hand clutching his terrible rod.
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1d ago
No, it wasn't missing. Not everywhere. I checked the SpaceBattles thread and a decent chunk of the posts express this. And to be clear, SB got purged of right-wingers a few years back - even I faced a trilemma of [leave]/[stop talking about politics]/[get permabanned] and picked the first horn - so this is your milquetoast liberals (not the hardcore ideologue liberals, like me) and non-radical progressives.
Are there places where it's missing? Yes. Are there way, way too many people on that side howling for more conservative blood? Also yes (including in that thread, many of them whacked by the mods for it). Is every corner of the SJ-purged Internet composed entirely of such bloodthirsty maniacs? No.
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1d ago
But what is actually happening is that the majority of trans individuals are mentally ill men,
This is out of date. It used to be the case that MtFs outnumbered FtMs 3:1, but these days FtMs outnumber MtFs. This is why 37% is the highest rate of being born with a penis out of the four groups in this study.
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1d ago
They defined the classes by latent class analysis, i.e. "look at the data and see what groups pop out as natural". I'm not sure that the 95% non-regret of a class that's identified that way is actually meaningful; "doesn't regret the transition" and its consequences seem to have been a big chunk of how the class is actually defined.
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2d ago
For obvious reasons, we don't let logged-out users, or logged-in users without the admin flag, shadowban people :)
Sure, but normal users aren't supposed to have a shadowban button available to push, so I wasn't sure whether the failsafe of "even if they somehow do, it doesn't do anything" was in place as well. I suppose that would help against hackers who send commands the interface doesn't offer, though.
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4d ago
I regard suicidal impulses as a mental illness, not an action which it is worth criticizing at the level of rational debate. It's a "stop hitting yourself!"-level error - suicidality is an altered state of consciousness, and suicide survivors coming out of it very often testify that they're immediately aghast at what they experienced.
Eh, sometimes. My most recent suicide attempt was pure* "bad intel"; I remained suicidal until sufficiently-convinced that I'd been wrong about the legal practicalities (for like a decade; it just hadn't become relevant until then), and then immediately stopped. One of the others was closer.
*Unless you count "high scrupulosity" as a mental illness, which I would object to on moral grounds.
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4d ago
I didn't mean "hopelessly doomed to starvation". I mean, the survival rule of threes goes "three minutes without air, three hours without heat, three days without water, three weeks without food, three months without love". That is, assuming you have solved all your physical needs, after months of zero social interaction you will usually develop severe depression and (without a "get me out of here" button like on reality TV shows) kill yourself. Bug in the firmware which evolution didn't patch out because it's barely ever relevant in the EEA (you're not going to make babies by yourself, so unless you're rescued your survival is evolutionarily meaningless). I don't have data to hand, but my understanding is that this is fairly-settled science (if very loose in timescale and, as noted, not inevitable). Related to why a bunch of humanitarian organisations consider long-term solitary confinement torture, although obviously prisons can usually prevent suicides if they want to.
I also didn't necessarily mean "commit suicide or you'll be executed". I also meant "commit suicide or you'll be considered a pariah". You're right regarding the potential for tautology, though.
we're talking about entirely different things.
I agree; I didn't claim otherwise.
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4d ago
There are virtually no life events that consistently lead to suicide, in the sense that there are more people who have the same experience and don't kill themselves, from even the most traumatic events.
I mean, there are two big ones throughout most of history - "being marooned" and "being in a situation where suicide is considered the honourable course". Not 100% of people in those situations commit suicide, but my understanding is that it is in fact over 50%.
We're pretty low on those two in the modern West, although certain places are starting to re-invent the second one (Canada and MAID most notably).
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4d ago
Was he treated poorly? No, he had a chance and blew it by being out-of-shape and awkward.
She grabbed the friend she was with, a guy named Albert. “Oh, my God, that’s him,” she whispered. “The guy from the movie theatre!” By then, Albert had heard a version of the story, though not quite the true one; nearly all her friends had. Albert stepped in front of her, shielding her from Robert’s view, as they rushed back to the table where their friends were. When Margot announced that Robert was there, everyone erupted in astonishment, and then they surrounded her and hustled her out of the bar as if she were the President and they were the Secret Service. It was all so over-the-top that she wondered if she was acting like a mean girl, but, at the same time, she truly did feel sick and scared.
If we draw the obvious inference from their behaviour as to the nature of the lies she told them, yes, Robert was treated poorly.
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4d ago
Are memoirs ever ok? How many details does one need to change before one can write a novel? Is bitching about your wife on TheMotte ok because it's all under pseudonyms? What if she reads what a mottizen said about her and kills herself out of shame? What about twitter under a pseudonym? What about a blog under a real name? If Kulak writes a little tweetstorm about some "feminist bitch" he had to deal with, and she reads it and recognizes that it was her, is he in the wrong? What about the "blankfaces" that scott aaronson decried? Or is it the ideological agenda that makes the crime? What details is one obligated to change to conceal identity, and which are immoral to change because one is no longer telling the real story?
Telling real stories truthfully is definitely fine.
Telling fiction is definitely fine.
Telling falsehoods about people that hurt their reputation is considered the tort of defamation.
The problem here is that we've got a story that's based closely enough on real events to identify the villain as a real person, but the real person isn't that villainous (and hence the reputational hit he takes is undeserved). If the story claimed to be real, then yeah, this'd be #3, no question. Completely coincidental similarities still clearly fall under #2; there's no mens rea, even a negligent one, if you didn't know a real person existed who uncannily resembled your Darth Vader (nobody knows the exact traits of everybody in the world). Here, though, we're stuck in the middle; the story is claimed to be fiction, so it's not an outright lie, but there's potential real undeserved damage to reputation that's the result of real choices on the author's part.
The obvious case here is A Few Good Men, which was closely based on a real Guantanamo Bay incident (the fenceline shooting, the requested transfer, the rag stuffed down the throat, and the hazers calling the ambulance were all lifted from the real case, which Sorkin's sister defended and told him about) but changes two major details in ways that make Dawson and Downie look worse than the people they're based on (the real hazee didn't die and the real hazers who went to trial weren't dishonorably discharged). Sorkin and the movie's production company got sued by the real hazers for defamation; WP doesn't state how it went so there was probably a settlement of some sort. Which side was in the right? You can argue either way, but I don't think it's obvious.
All the examples you give except the novel are not in this limbo; truthful memoirs/bitching/tweetstorms are #1 and are definitely fine, while false ones (because they're outright lies, having been stated to be real) are #3 and are very much not fine.
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4d ago
So clicking the "confirm" or whatever it was button wouldn't actually have shadowbanned anyone?
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4d ago
The thing is that if men collectively, or even in majority minority refuse to participate anymore, the illusion dissolves within days. We saw it recently after Afghanistan withdrawal, when Taliban warriors just leisurely waltzed in and subjugated women without any fuss, literally laughing at the notion of women's political rights.
The key point there is the revolution. While law exists, social power controls physical power due to the police force. It does not especially matter if the ruling class has no physical power; they have social power, codified in laws, with which they can direct those with physical power to oppress on pain of that oppression turning upon them. This does, in fact, allow classes with social power to dominate classes with physical power nigh-indefinitely. Revolutions are the exception because revolution voids all laws - the pre-existing police force is literally defeated and can no longer enforce anything.
"Men are in charge, because the police force is essentially male" is an equivalent argument to "the proletariat was in charge in the 18th century, because the police force were essentially proles".
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5d ago
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I mean, apparently what the king actually said was "What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?", which is quite ambiguous. Even the version with "turbulent priest" started out as "who shall deliver me from this turbulent Priest?", and that could be satisfied a lot of ways other than Becket's death.
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6d ago
My project to get in touch with the Motherland's food has achieved some success. For lunch today I had a mostly-full traditional English breakfast. I say "mostly" because I hate mushrooms and cooked tomatoes, so I didn't include those, but I had bacon, chipolatas, eggs, fried bread (I think I need to read up on how to do that; it came out okay but I don't think it was as intended)... and black pudding.
It... wasn't as unusual as I was expecting. Yeah, it's got a distinctive smell, and when cooked it looks almost exactly like "unidentifiable food that's been left on the stove and converted into carbon", but it has the taste and texture of a rich meat loaf (which... it basically is). I can see why people might shy away if offered it (from the looks; the smell's odd but not bad), but yeah, actually pretty normal. You don't forget what you're eating, though; the smell bursts out in your mouth when you chew it.
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6d ago
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It's much easier to send a missile than to catch a boat. The missile all move faster than boats, for one.
Civ2 notwithstanding, I think a Super Stallion might be able to pick up one of those boats.
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6d ago
I mean, yes (I expect to survive, at least unless I'm drafted, but it's a bit trickier in the USA than Australia for several reasons), but the topic did come up because of the "power in the future = power now, because threats" factor. Still, since it's really more about perceived power in the future than real power, as long as people aren't pricing in Interesting Times it is largely irrelevant to the present (still funny, though).
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7d ago
I don't think it makes any sense to discuss that.
Why, though?
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7d ago
@ZorbaTHut it appears to be fixed.
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7d ago
Did you actually read the sentence after the one you quoted?
If the Democrats go too far with supporting rioting/insurrection/terrorism, they might get rolled up in a big way by the FBI. If nuclear war happens, the deaths will slew massively toward Democratic voters (because the countervalue targets - big cities - are as you note Democratic strongholds, and one of the strategic targets is of course Washington DC itself).
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8d ago
Ah. Yeah, I thought "the message" meant your contention of "how extreme the Dems are", not the Dems' contention of "Trump's orders are illegal".
The funny thing is, it's far from certain that the current incarnation of the Democratic Party will ever get another President. There are a number of ways they could wind up out of the game and unable to carry out this threat, ranging from sticking their necks out too far with this silly brinkmanship and being beheaded, to voter base existence failure if WWIII happens.
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8d ago
If you want to avoid a singleton, the best advice I can give you is to go full Butlerian Jihad. Singletons are a strong attractor state for competition between AI in a way they're not between humans.
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8d ago
I actually had this decent-sized essay I was writing comparing neural-net AI to demon-summoning. Couldn't figure out how to start it, though, and when Yudkowsky published his Time article I felt like it wasn't necessary anymore (most of the motivation for doing it in the first place was that I perceived the main Rat leadership to not have the balls).
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8d ago
Just in case somebody is dense and doesn't get the message
Some of us are not actually American, you know. I'm not dense, I just don't watch American news.
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8d ago
If the number of people pardoned gets to be so high that they can't remember them, then that's a sign that something is super broken with the way people are being convicted.
Well, not necessarily. Could also be something broken with the White House/President.
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