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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 24, 2022

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We've done an epic's of navel gazing on this. I don't think what you're saying is true, or "truer" than a similar narrative you'd see on /r/politics about conservatives just not liking science.

The two competing theories common here are (a) It's group dynamics. People with relatively mainstream beliefs are less motivated to hang out here, more likely to leave due to evaporative cooling; and people do not bother discussing what mainstream beliefs they have here, because they have other places (b) modern leftism has become highly correlated with a brand of social justice ethics which does not countenance debating or platforming nazis, and people who subscribe to it are repelled by The Motte's basic constitution.

Do we have any out-and-out Nazis/White Nationalists?

I grant there are racists and fascists, but I don't think I've read anyone with either ironic or unironic 'gas the jews' positions.

Do we have any out-and-out Nazis/White Nationalists?

At least 3, that I could name.

Nazis no (at least not openly declared), but white nationalists, yes.

My position is something close to White Nationalism, and I’ve been open about that since joining the community. I know that there are others here who hold similar views, although I don’t know how many of them openly identify with that term or that cluster of identifiers.

It seems like you might be setting the bar for “out-and-out Nazis/White Nationalists” very unreasonably high, if “gas the Jews” is the cutoff point. I don’t know a single person, even in the most “extreme” White Nationalist spaces I frequent, who would advocate a repeat of the Holocaust. Obviously that’s not what qualifies someone as a White Nationalist.

When you say 'repeat the holocaust,' do you mean the literal methods by which the extermination of Jews was enacted?

or do you mean you also wouldn't support a systemic and sustained effort to remove persons of Jewish heritage from any position of authority, power, influence, or wealth and to exile them completely from your country?

Because I'm capable of distinguishing between "Nazis," "White Supremacists," and "White Nationalists" to the extent a person only holds some views but not others.

A white nationalist who supports allowing white persons to have a nation in which they are allowed to exist and to exclude other races and defend themselves from enemies (kinda like Israel) is different from a White Supremacists who ALSO believes in the inherent inferiority of other races is different from a Nazi who believes all that AND that Whites/Aryans should rule over all other races.

So I just wanna know if and how your pro-white positions are coextensive with anti-semite positions.

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