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PaperclipPerfector  4mo ago (text post)   3011 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for January 10, 2025

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A little while ago someone posted asking if it was credible that Musk had achieved a world record in Diablo 4.

In a follow up to that, recently Musk has been streaming another ARPG, Path of Exile 2. For those not in the know PoE is what the true rarified ARPG gamers play. It's the Salty Spitoon. Diablo is Weenie Hut Jrs. Much like in D4, Elon's PoE2 character is absolutely decked out, the work of hundreds of hours. But not his. He also zero grasp of the game. He doesn't understand itemisation, he fumbles with interfaces, doesn't know how to play the build properly. I would bet against him having even having completed the campaign once. I have little doubt that his total misunderstanding of the significance of an item's character level requirement will be a meme in the community for years to come.

Much like in D4, Elon's PoE2 character is absolutely decked out, the work of hundreds of hours. But not his.

What?

His characters in both games are very advanced, meaning he needed to play a lot to get to that point. Anyone that plays that much knows how to play the game very well. Because Elon doesn't play the game well it is a safe bet that he didn't advance his characters but instead he paid someone to advance them for him.

I don't think this is true. I used to be a pretty big World of Warcraft guy and encountered people with much, much more play time than I had and excellent gear that were straight up terrible players. It's interesting to consider why they were getting carried in raids, but they pretty obviously were, because you'd bump into guys with much better gear that you could easily smash on damage meters anyway. In contrast, a buddy of mine that posted top 100 world parses on healing meters for some difficult bosses didn't actually play all that much. Beyond some necessary amount of time to learn a game well, people just kind of get capped out on their skills and stop improving.

If the point is that they're making incredibly basic mistakes... yeah, the above still applies. You could look at damage logs after and see highly geared players doing things like failing to keep DoTs on targets, letting their own buffs fall off for significant chunks of fights, and other egregiously incompetent play.

I've described elsewhere in the thread how Elon doesn't just make basic distracted-like mechanical mistakes, he literally doesn't know what his items do and how good they are (despite having had to craft them or more likely search for those specific items from the trading website). It's like if you met a top-level raider in WoW and he said his (best in slot for his class) items are "not very good" because they don't look pretty, which is the best analogy I can come up with for WoW because I don't play it.

This is all on hardcore league also, so it's not only a lack of game knowledge - Elon would have had to spend dozens of hours grinding experience on his character to get to level 90 without dying once, in a game known to ruthlessly punish players for lacking game knowledge.

Gotcha. I was looking more at the skill part of things rather than the game knowledge part of things. Beyond a certain point, yeah, you wouldn't bump into anyone making that sort of basic error when it comes to understand itemization and game mechanics. Even if they couldn't exactly tell you why a certain trinket mathed out to being the best in slot item, they'd still know enough to go check Icy Veins, see that it's best in slot, and cheerfully equip it.

At the extreme end, there are players in PoE who just look for the items the build guide tells them to look for instead of bothering to understand itemization. But they'd still look at item modifiers, not item level. A max level base can (and most often does) drop with complete garbage bonuses that make it worse than a well-rolled item with a much lower level base.

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