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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 31, 2022

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I haven’t seen a Kyrie Irving thread so I will start one.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34942326/nets-suspend-kyrie-irving-least-five-games-pay

Now I already canceled the NBA over the forced blm message but suspending Kyrie just makes me even less interested in watching a game. Personally I’ve played basketball 3-5 times a week for 30 years. I’ve also canceled Nike and refuse to where their shoes.

  • I don’t understand fight antisemitism movement. Jews seem to be doing fine in this country. It’s almost like everyone in blue tribe needs to make themselves a victim because otherwise they have no statue

  • Kyrie a weird guy but it’s not like on the court he’s promoting this stuff. People should be allowed to work and allowed to have their own private opinions. The stuff he promoted is bad but just let a guy do his job.

To me this Kyrie thing is scary because this regime Can target anyone - your no longer allowed to have weird opinions. Isaac Newton had some weird opinion. In the modern world he’s not discovering gravity. The weird people are necessary.

I strongly advise everyone here boycotts woke brands. It’s important that we end this culture and the only way we get back to normal is fighting fire with fire.

Also I guess Musks is having some advertising issues at Twitter because he doesn’t bow down. I strongly advise trying to support businesses that you see ads for on twitter.

I wouldn’t be shocked if blacks are the next group to join the GOP. Lots of weird opinions in that community and basically anyone middle class has some wrong think so it’s clear that culturally their not a fit with Dems.

Nike, NBA, and Disney are dead brands to me. Actually really like Star Wars and here there’s a good new series out but I can’t watch it.

Sometimes the complaints here about cancel culture are legitimate and real (if frequently also repetitive and tedious) and sometimes it's more like "Some idiot said some stupid shit and got backlash, but I agree with the stupid shit or I hate the people who are offended by it, therefore this is bad."

Your complaint is in the latter category.

Irving doesn't have "weird" opinions, he has inflammatory, bigoted opinions. It is not a new thing that most brands (including sports teams) don't want to be associated with people spouting outright racism, anti-Semitism, and other forms of bigotry. If you were complaining about uneven enforcement (e.g. that some other player said "Kill all white people" and didn't get suspended) you could dredge up a point here, but no, you just don't think anti-Semitism is bad and you think the people who do think anti-Semitism is bad are bad, therefore it's bad for people to be punished for it.

"The weird people are necessary" - really? Is Kyrie Irving a generational talent such that basketball will suffer without him? (Genuinely don't know, I don't follow basketball.) What exactly is it about his "weird" opinions that enriches our culture or the sport? If you told me there was a brilliant physicist who's on the verge of discovering cold fusion but he just got cancelled for telling a racist joke at work, I'd agree that's stupid, but a basketball player got suspended (he wasn't even "cancelled") for being an anti-Semitic loon and you think this is damaging to the culture? Nah, man. Most employers will suspend you, at the very least, if you spout off like that in a way that damages their brand.

The fact is that people usually get cancelled, and cancelled hard, when they say something mildly antisemitic (and mostly true) like 'jews control the media'.

Meanwhile journalists and editors and publishers excrete headlines like 'X is too white', 'Dear white people...', 'Yes all white people...'...

Most of the critiques aimed at white people actually apply to jews and even more, as American jews are on average more wealthy, powerful, connected than white people.

Even the concept of a jewish genocide is somewhat racist at this point.

If jews didn't have this strange obsession with pairing up with people with comically oversized noses and ears who stay away from military service and honest work, would anybody even be able to tell them apart?

Why do jews have an inherent right to exist as a distinct people, if white people are told by endless racemixing propaganda that they do not have a right to their own country and that denying romantic advances from POC is racist?

If jews didn't have this strange obsession with pairing up with people with comically oversized noses and ears who stay away from military service and honest work, would anybody even be able to tell them apart?

Why do jews have an inherent right to exist as a distinct people, if white people are told by endless racemixing propaganda that they do not have a right to their own country and that denying romantic advances from POC is racist?

This is not the first time you've been warned that you don't get to just assert weakman arguments about your outgroup. You can believe what you like about Jews and black people, but just reciting derogatory tropes does not meet our standards of argumentation.

You aren't the only white nationalist around, but this isn't a white nationalist forum, and you have to follow the same rules as everyone else. Your frequent, deliberate testing of boundaries is running you out of slack.

The holocaust narrative is one of the most repeated ones for the last decades. Almost any messaging from jewish organizations is explicitly or implicitly underlined by 'the holocaust', ie, something bad happened to some jews 80 years ago.

Something bad happened to somebody 80 years ago or even before and after, but jews love to remind us about their unfortunate ancestors who were masturbated to death or turned into soap and lampshades.

It is a fact that there are a lot of people advocating for example for unlimited immigration to the United States and Europe, which were respectively founded by and for white people and historically white, but that a lot of the same people do not want unlimited immigration to Israel.

Here is the example of the ADL, which was called out by Tucker Carlson:

Quoting ADL on immigration to Israel:

With historically high birth rates among the Palestinians, and a possible influx of Palestinian refugees and their descendants now living around the world, Jews would quickly be a minority within a bi-national state, thus likely ending any semblance of equal representation and protections. In this situation, the Jewish population would be increasingly politically – and potentially physically – vulnerable.

It is unrealistic and unacceptable to expect the State of Israel to voluntarily subvert its own sovereign existence and nationalist identity and become a vulnerable minority within what was once its own territory.

Source was removed from their website after getting called out by Carlson, only available in archive

ADL on immigration to the US:

ADL fights tirelessly for immigrants and refugees seeking safety and a better life in the U.S. Through legislative advocacy, amicus briefs, and public awareness efforts, we have promoted just and humane immigration and refugee protection policies throughout the decades.

We support a holistic approach to immigration policy that includes:

-a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants

-fair treatment and equal access to human and legal services for immigrants

-recommitment to our obligation to safeguard migrants in danger

-a humane border security strategy.

There cannot be genocide of the jews without a jewish people, and it is the obsession of these people with prolonging the existence of their distinctive 'jewish' people that is even creating the possibility of a genocide of the jews.

That problem could be solved within a couple generation of mating with Nigerians, Koreans, Turks, Mexicans, etc.

Here is, ironically, the ADL on the 14 words:

"14 Words" is a reference to the most popular white supremacist slogan in the world: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

The term reflects the primary white supremacist worldview in the late 20th and early 21st centuries: that unless immediate action is taken, the white race is doomed to extinction by an alleged "rising tide of color" purportedly controlled and manipulated by Jews.

Let me be explicit:

The 14 words are :

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children

The ADL on the 2-state-solution:

It is unrealistic and unacceptable to expect the State of Israel to voluntarily subvert its own sovereign existence and nationalist identity and become a vulnerable minority within what was once its own territory.

My conclusion is that some jews are in essence white nationalists or supremacists (as jews are seen by some goyim as white) but they are even more selective than white nationalists/supremacists, as they tailor their preference only to the jewish people, a smaller subset of the white people.

And therefore it's quite hypocritical for these people to criticize their fellow white nationalists/supremacists so vehemently.