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That's not how couples meet anymore. Especially among young people, who don't get out much anyway, they grew up in the digital world, and Covid made this even sharper. You can't meet Gen Z girls by just 'going out.'
The gender ratios in most public spaces are skewed towards men, which also makes women more averse to being approached over and over agan.
Women can get on the dating apps or any social media site and get all the attention she wants, so there's no need for her to entertain IRL offers.
Yes.
Now what.
What exactly are you looking for here?
Do you just want people to tell you that it's hopeless? Very well then. It is hopeless. I agree that you should give up hope. Do with this what you will.
If this is a prelude to arguing for certain policy proposals, then it would be more interesting if you made the case for those policies directly, instead of gesturing angrily at the stats and insisting that something (what, exactly?) must be done.
Stack guns and ammo, get multiple passports and generally prepare for the strife that inevitably comes from cultures rife with men that have nothing to lose.
There is nothing else to do because any solution would undermine the status quo too much.
I see this online a lot lately: supposedly all these "tfw no girlfriend" guys are going to rise up. "You are in danger!"
No. These guys are, frankly ,not the warfighting kind. They'll jack off to porn and seethe and imagine burning it all down (and you'll get the occasional Elliott Rodgers) but there's no movement of dateless men ready to "do something" and even a more political Andrew Tate probably couldn't move them to that kind of action.
You misunderstand. There is not going to be the prophetized "beta uprising" where wizards use their magical powers to enslave normies, that's not how things work.
Society is just slowly going to become lower and lower trust until it becomes an incomprehensible mess and collapses under its own weight. Incels are not going to do something, they're going to do nothing. And your society needs a whole load of something to work.
Tate is a good symptom of this actually. Note that he does not advocate people engage in pro-social behavior and become pillars of their community, only in looting. Get your own, pump and dump, get the lambo, evade taxes, scam others. Because if society is not willing to offer a fair deal, that's all that's left.
There's no talk of marrying and having children and buying a house and paying into your retirement fund here.
You will see violence. But that's because decay and lawlessness invite it. "These guys" are not going to go out and harm people for the most part, but they won't stop those that would.
I see. That's a more depressing prediction, though perhaps more realistic.
I don't see dateless men being a significant factor in that, though. I don't actually believe incels are a factor at all, other than online.
All the men who maintain your civilization are human beings with emotional needs you know. Large proportions of them having no stake in the future is going to have some consequences. Whether you believe it or not doesn't matter.
There's a reason the people of the past thought so well of marriage that they literally made it sacred. We're just going to painfully relearn why.
The large proportion of men whom I am concerned about not having a stake in our civilization are mostly not incels.
If so I think either you have no sense of the numbers for celibacy now, or you're just refusing to believe them. Might want to read those articles linked upthread. It's getting bad. Real bad.
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If it is indeed hopeless, than we can at long last dispense with the concept of building anything for the future. Loot what you can, while you can.
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My observations shows that the genz are as outgoing as the millenials and X-ers before them. They gather and drink beer in the park when the weather is warm, love going out clubbing, love going out on hikes and so on and attend shittons of house parties. There is probably selection bias since I drink quite a lot with the outgoing ones, but I don't think that there is massive epidemic of reclusive people.
Covid did move to house partying - but that is not a problem - you could obtain or host one.
Nearly half of Gen Z guys say they're not dating at all.
You're SEEING some of them out, but how many of them are you just not seeing because they're not visible.
You have put quite a lot of links showing that single people are not trying, few that prove it is hard.
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Is your belief that out of nowhere, for no reason at all, young people, around the planet, have chosen to 'stop trying', unlike every other generation that came before them?
Does that pass muster to you?
Or is it just possible that it got HARDER, (and/or the rewards have diminished) which made it much less appealing to try?
Anyway, here you go:
https://archive.is/X72VS
Tons of analysis of the issue.
A decent summation:
I've spent inordinate amounts of time researching this stuff. I'm not 'proud' of that, but I can provide you just about whatever form of evidence you want.
Here, check out how dating apps work in South Korea, which is even worse off than the U.S.:
https://instagram.com/reel/DFyqCOmz-LM/
Does that seem 'reasonable' to you, or is it maybe a lot more competitive than it used to be?
"For no reason at all" is a strawman. Looking at the wide variety of hedonistic pleasures available to the 2020s twenty-something from the comfort of their own couch, it's not surprising that fewer and fewer people are "going out" - with each other or otherwise. Going outside, literally, has lost a lot of its appeal relative to other stuff you could be doing with your free time. It's hardly surprising that this applies to going out to meet girlfriends/boyfriends just as it applies to going out to meet platonic friends in-person. Logging into the groupchat has replaced meeting the lads at the bar. I'd never have met my first girlfriend if I hadn't been in the habit of meeting up with mixed friends, in person, outside, and that's happening less and less.
Yes.
But this is my point. Yelling at men to 'get better' is not a viable solution when the reason they're not putting in the effort are mostly attributable to FACTORS BEYOND THEIR CONTROL.
But the factors are not beyond their control. Guys can decide to start going out, making friends and meeting them IRL. Just because society won't push them to do it as it maybe once did (it's debatable), doesn't mean it cannot be done or that it's even harder than it used to be. It's the same as weight issues; sedentary lifestyles and easy/cheap hyper-palatable high calories options means that if someone doesn't make any effort, unless they've been blessed with excellent genetics, they will gain weight. But it's hardly an immutable prophecy, people can have a good diet, can exercise. In fact, having a good diet and exercising is even easier than ever before in history.
Having a diverse social life is the same. Internalise that locus of control. CHR is a stat that needs exercising, just like STR.
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