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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 5, 2022

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Not sure if this is better for SQS but - What is the steelman argument against vegetarianism/veganism? I am especially interested in claims that aren't health-based, as I know quite a few very intelligent and well-sourced vegans who have thoroughly convinced me that most health based claims are false.

I'm not a vegetarian myself but I'm reasonably convinced that I should be one, it's more of a moral failing on my part that I eat meat, not a logical stance.

I wouldn't say that it rises to the level of an argument, but I enjoy meat, I feel better physically when I eat good quality meat, and I have no real qualms about killing animals. I haven't heard anything that would move the needle in the opposite direction for me, at least not near enough to actually change my behavior.

I definitely respect folks who are honest about their reasons. Do you not think animals have moral worth?

Again don't have a strong argument here I just intuitively think that killing animals for pleasure is wrong.

I think life wouldn't continue if it were to value any other life more than itself.

value any other life more than itself.

Woah who said this? I think it's clear that animals are worth vastly less than humans. On the ratio of thousands of animals to one human.

Still, even if animals have fractional moral worth the scale of factory farming becomes a daunting moral problem.

No what I am trying to say is that for life to continue from its personal individual reference point it should value itself more than any other life around it. The moment that is not the case the likelihood of death increases.

I said it. Independent thought.

I agree with you though, I simply don't agree that valuing other life some is equivalent to valuing it more than our own life. Humans have it pretty good, and have for a while.

Makes sense. I am just saying that eh, my life is more valuable anyways is a free get out of jail card from any guilt for any action you will ever take.

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