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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 30, 2025

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Is he? Cofnas implies that facts will persuade EHC to flip sides, and Auron is saying facts and arguments have failed to do that. Is there an objective debate moderator who can determine if Cofnas is right because evidence wasn't presented; or if Auron is right because the evidence was presented, and ignored?

You're right that Auron does not give an alternative plan to co-opt EHC, but do you have one?

You're right that Auron does not give an alternative plan to co-opt EHC, but do you have one?

No more Trump, RFK, Hulk Hogan, or prayer breakfasts.

You're objecting to a billionaire Wharton grad, a graduate of the London School of Economics who happens to be a scion of a family that has been described in terms similar to royalty, and an entertainer with a long and illustrious career.

I don't think you'd know Elite Human Capital if it leg-dropped you.

The majority of Trump voters (let alone the 'independents' who have been deciding our recent elections by flip-flopping between Obama, Trump, and Biden) don't think about immigrants, nationalism, or even gays, in the same way they do.

How do the majority of Trump voters and flip-flopping independents think about such things? How do right-wingers like Auron think about them?

As for gays, they've adopted a strict "no compromise" policy that I don't think is popular IRL

It's getting more popular amongst Republicans but I think that's wholly because the gays have either abandoned their movement or refused to Sistah Soulja the trans side.

If they totally surrendered today and treated trans like NAMBLA...maybe Republicans would give up and rebound. But that's impossible (the best they can manage is just silence) so who knows when the backlash will bottom out?

Wow, that’s… massive. Is it just party coalitions reshuffling? But such a massive drop in such a short amount of time makes me want to assume the null hypothesis, measurement error.

The machine that produced the previous consensus on Gay Rights has largely broken down. At the same time, the movement and its core supporters went all-in on trans, and by my lights have pretty clearly suffered a catastrophic defeat.

But I know moderates who strongly oppose a lot of the trans stuff but are firmly in support of gay marriage. Have people with this viewpoint just flipped away from identifying as Republican en masse?

Looking at the Gallup data, independents don’t show much of a change. My supposition is that a lot of moderate Republicans have left the party since 2020, leaving more firm conservatives. I’m not convinced this change is due to a massive number of people changing their minds.

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I remember the GOP before Trump. Still disadvantaged in academia and the like.

Trump is demonstrably capable of gaining power though, and you’re not, so assuming your Nietszchean WTP movement is, as seems tautological, more directionally aligned with him than with current bio-Leninist leftists, how are you going to build on his provable successes?

Notice how you didn't dispute my point that Trump, RFK, Hulk Hogan, and prayer breakfasts alienate EHC. You know it does. You're correct that Trump's a good (as in, good at winning elections) politician. If your priority is winning elections by appealing to the unwashed masses, congrats, it worked. Don't turn around and complain that EHC don't want to vote for your party when you did nothing to appeal to them.

My priority is winning, because that’s how you execute power. If EHC needs to be appealed to in order to understand that having power is better than not having power, I question how elite they actually are.

Again, what is EHC actually going to do? If they are so elite, why are they incapable of directing the herd of unwashed sheep?

Traditionally, a shepherd demonstrates his superiority over the sheep by making sure the sheep do what he says. If he’s not capable of leading them, he’s not much of a shepherd.

So, again, assuming your Nietszchean WTP movement is more aligned, even if only a tiny bit, with MAGA than with bio-Leninism, how do you propose to build on that opportunity? How will you lead the sheep?

You do have a point, I wrote a character in one of my stories who makes these arguments:

“Nobody has addressed my point that there’s no path to political power with this stuff. Republicans, moderates, and Democrats do not want to elect anti-Trump Nietzschean centrists! I have some real, non-condescending advice for you guys: get involved in your local Republican parties. Run for state legislature, run for city council. Are you elite human capital? Act like it. Nietzschean centrists glorify Napoleon and Ceasar, Men of Action. What would Napoleon be doing were he alive today? He’d be running for office, telling the proles what they want to hear. You have no respect for the creekshitters? Rule over them, natural aristocrat you! A lot of these guys don’t want to deal in the democratic system; don’t want to take up the gun and fight it either. They just want to have their podcasts and laugh at the proles. I’m like, ‘that’s fine, but can you be a little less self-congratulatory about it?’”

https://alexanderturok.substack.com/p/march-2025-whynat-meeting

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