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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 14, 2025

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I'm a doomer on the U.S., and I want to know what you guys think, in general, will be the trend for the next decade or further on. Here's my theory for how all this ends:

  • Politically, conflict theory has totally won. Extremists from both parties keep trying to outdo each other. This can lead to outright civil war or government breakdown down the line. Democracies all around the globe host more and more unhappy populations that, no matter which politicians they vote in, never seem to get what they want, leading them to vote in more and more strange and radical candidates.
  • Government spending will never recede. Too many groups need to stay satisfied with their welfare, otherwise the party that cuts them will never win an election again. This will lead to an eventual collapse, someday, with more and more economic pain as time goes on and as less productive people exist to support the invalids and growing number of leeches.
  • Dating sucks and gender relations are likely going to get worse as the social media experiment continues, to South Korea levels. It can only get worse from here.
  • As someone mentioned downthread, I could easily see status becoming harder and harder to get, as the players in the game optimize towards the most awful way to live: constant striving in every arena. Anyone left playing the game is a tiger mom. This is the one I'm least sure about, but it could change rapidly as economic circumstances shift.
  • I have no idea if the country will fail slow or fast, but it will likely decline in the next decade by a noticeable amount.

My friend is more of an optimist. Here's his theory on the first one:

  • Eventually, one party is going to realize their extremists never win races. They elect a moderate. Things normalize, politically.

Unfortunately, I didn't quiz him on all the rest of it. But now, somehow, it is making me wonder about the outlook of most of the Mottizens. I certainly see the doomer take on things pretty often.

I see a factoid sometimes that says conservatives are happier with their lives than liberals. Maybe that's a factor of rural living, maybe that's a factor of less thinking about serious issues, and less reading. I am pretty sure that conservatives on this site, on average, do not live in rural areas and, on average, think a lot more about serious issues, and read more. So maybe some bad, anecdotal science testing on The Motte is in order.

Are you a doomer, or a "bloomer"? What are some factors that lead you to your conclusion that the country is trending downwards or upwards? Please explain yourself, and please fight it out with everyone who thinks you're wrong.

I'm not a doomer by nature and I'm optimistic that America will still be a very good place to live in the medium term. The competition is very thin. Europe is busy ramping up footgun production; Israel is, uh, let's move on; the rest of the Anglosphere is content to give up all notions of freedom and liberty; East Asia is dying countries plus China; perhaps a small country like Switzerland is the only thing that can compete.

But at the same time as I get older I feel less confident that all the problems that, as a youth, I thought would be resolved will ever get resolved. The housing market is screwed. The education system is screwed. Unscrewing these is basically impossible because, as they say, "you'd make a lot of sick people very unhappy." There's too many entrenched interests, there's too many comfortable people whose ongoing comfort depend on nothing ever happening. You'd need a true 'orrible cunt who doesn't care about making friends who manages to get power to do something about this.

Fundamentally, I view these things as a conflict between dynamism and stasis. Outside of a few fields, I don't see dynamism returning to America in the medium term. Over the longer term, if we manage to beat back stasis without a true catastrophe, I think that will be enough for me and my children.

Israel is, uh, let's move on

They seem to have now declared war on the terrorist menace that is the Catholic Church by yet another "oopsies! did we bomb that? sorry, just a mistake!"

Honestly, the amount of "oopsies, we didn't mean it!" bombings the Israeli armed forces have been doing recently, they're not really a good advertisement for them being a developed First World secular nation, now are they? Though you have to admire their cursed by luck ability to hit the only Catholic church in Gaza by complete accident, didn't mean it, had no idea it was there. Poor guys, they must just have such terrible equipment, clearly they need billions of military aid to get modern range sights so things like this won't happen again!

(Before the mods slap me around: yes, I am being heavily sarcastic in order not to be heavily enraged and start calling no-no names. That being said, let the beatings commence!).

It seems like the obvious way to square this circle is that Israeli forces are being generally indiscriminate in Gaza and the officer who ordered a potshot at Holy Family Parish did not realize this was a location to be treated with kid gloves(which it does). The Israeli government did not want to destroy the church or they would have presumably done it via artillery fire that 'missed'. They also let cardinal Pizzaballa visit and call more attention to the place.