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Relatively quiet week this time:
Anthropic has a $200M contract with the US DoD , as have a few other companies
A good roundup of rumours about Xi
OpenAI agent
Israel bombs Syria
Africa records over 4,200 cholera, mpox deaths in 2025
Gunmen Kill 1,111 Nigerians, Abduct 276 in June
Syrian troops accused of executing civilians in Druze amid Israeli strikes
IDF Ordered To Strike Syrian Regime Forces Invading Druze-majority Suweida
Syria Druze reach ceasefire with central gov, though a previous one fell. Israel also fired on the central gov in Damascus
Almost 300 killed in wave of violence in Sudan's North Kordofan
Israeli-linked ringleaders and elements arrested in southwestern Iran, says Iran's news agency
Israel launches airstrikes on Hezbollah targets in Lebanon's Bekaa valley
US demands to know what allies would do in event of war over Taiwan
Is there suppose to be a link here?
Should have been https://www.chinatalk.media/p/xi-rumors , thanks
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Express grave concern? Maybe even issue a strongly-worded letter of condemnation.
Honestly, Japan, India and Australia are pretty much the only ones whose answer matters, having a navy in the general area.
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Quite clear those have zero to do with Israel, just local dissidents rounded up. They can't even bring themselves to claim those actually are Israeli agents, just "operating in line with aims", which is pretty much any opposition to the current regime.
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I think you forgot to link the Xi rumours, (unless it's a meta statement about how there are no 'good' roundup of rumours in a state as secretive and opaque as China).
Also, it's a bit cringe that the US wants assurances from allies about Taiwan when America itself maintains plausible deniability about what it's going to do. De jure, the US doesn't recognize Taiwan as an independent country nor is there a formal treaty requiring American aid. De facto the US has made clear intentions to go to war for Taiwan but the messaging is kind of schizo. America is the bloc ringleader, it's the US's job to make these hard calls not put others on the spot.
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The site on Nigeria claims "farmer/herder" conflicts though I've read it's basically Muslims slaughtering Christians.
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