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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 21, 2025

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“Directional whoring?” That’s ridiculous and insulting.

None of my half-dozen female cousins are whoring themselves out. None have any overlap between their careers and their relationships.

That’s not because they’re all following the same script, either. One’s an accountant, another works for the government. A third got pregnant in college, but married the guy and started a stable family. She only has a job now that the kid is in school. Not exactly a gold digger.

What’s your justification for insulting the modal Western woman?

“Directional whoring?” That’s ridiculous and insulting.

Actually, it's a typo.

And yeah, I was exaggerating. But what I stand by is this: I frequently hear women express sentiments that actually, promiscuity is good, being a camgirl is a completely normal job, and having a dozen boyfriends in one year and collecting gifts and favors from all of them on the way is par for the course and bystanders should politely not notice it. I very rarely (in fact, not in almost a decade by now) hear the opposite IRL.

And sure, #NotAllWomen. Seriously not. This behavior is not universal. But at least around me, nobody's calling anyone out on it.

What’s your justification for insulting the modal Western woman?

The ability to do so on an online forum without getting ostracized, as would happen if I criticized a woman's weird ideological commitment to this kind of libertine behavior IRL.

sentiments that actually, promiscuity is good, being a camgirl is a completely normal job, and having a dozen boyfriends in one year and collecting gifts and favors from all of them on the way is par for the course and bystanders should politely not notice it

Also, "sex workers" should not be discriminated in any way anywhere, and if they are, hypocritical men and indoctrinated/self-hating/brainwashed women are to blame, because it's only men who watch porn, and all men watch porn. They are victims, unless we decide that they actually aren't. Any man who expresses any viewpoint about the porn industry that isn't 100% supportive is just a thirsty loser garbage human. On the other hand, sex work should idealistically not exist at all, but it should be completely normalized in the intermediate period until feminism does away with it; at the same time, this should not give the impression to toxic men in any shape or form that it's normal for women to engage in sex work in exhange for money and that it's something that can be expected from cash-strapped modern women.

I frequently hear women express sentiments that actually, promiscuity is good, being a camgirl is a completely normal job, and having a dozen boyfriends in one year and collecting gifts and favors from all of them on the way is par for the course and bystanders should politely not notice it. I very rarely (in fact, not in almost a decade by now) hear the opposite IRL.

I don't know that I've heard that IRL, though I do recall even in school there were lots of girls who expressed interest in marrying a man for the money, or in using sexual appeal to get things from men, while never expressing interest in the idea of actually loving a man.

I guess these motivations have been around forever, along with the more intrinsic motivations like intimacy, companionship, physical affection, etc. But it's surprising to me how the shoe has moved to the other foot and it's much more rare for me to hear discussions of intimacy, companionship, and physical affection as the core reasons people are looking for a relationship. "I would like to have children" has a strong constituency, but I'd argue that's still an instrumental reason to have a relationship. (But an important one!)

None of my half-dozen female cousins are whoring themselves out.

With all due respect, they probably won't have many problems keeping you in the dark about if they are indeed doing so after all.

Then it’s not much of a “default career,” is it?

I think you’re defending the motte to Southkraut’s bailey.

Look, it's not much of a bailey. A bailey is a walled area one means to make use of. This is more of a wide open field I took a stroll through on a whim.

Let's see the original claim:

They dress skimpily, date industriously, engage in serial monogamy, and are not at all averse to material benefits resulting from these activities.

For the sake of argument, would you realistically know about it if any of your female cousins did engage in such things?

Isn't "you can't know that it's not happening" more of an anti-argument; a discussion-stopper?

Again, I'm asking you to consider the social reality of living in modernity. If a woman engages in activities that she wants to keep private from men in her social circle who aren't their husband or long-term boyfriend, she can do so with little effort because the women in her social circle who do know about it, she can generally count on to assist her in this.

Okay, but what do we do with that? Where do we go from here? Shrug and move on to other topics?

You move on but keep it in mind.

Are we Russel's Teapotting whoring now?

It’s just the reality of living in modernity. Let’s suppose you’re a Midwestern middle-class or precariat normie and you have female cousins. One of them lives in a different town and you’re on good terms; she’s known as an average decent young woman. However, in reality she has engaged in sugarbabying and escorting on multiple occasions while in community college. She’s also a serial monogamist / is in an open relationship with some cuck and has one-night stands. Maybe she’s also camwhoring from time to time. You don’t know about any of this because she’s discrete about it and your social circles are overlapping only partially. You’re ignorant about these activities as a whole because you’re a normie. The only way you’re realistically ever going to learn about her antics is if someone tells you about it. But who would? Your other female cousins or your mother definitely won’t reveal it to you even if they know about it. Her long-term cuck boyfriend if she has one isn’t going to talk about it to you either. What gives?

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