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How much more suspicious activity and lucky coincidences would there need to be to convince you (if you're a current denier) that Epstein was murdered/"allowed" to kill himself?
Because from what I see there's a lot of weird things already. The cameras for in front of his cell are down, guards apparently failed to check in on him (apparently both of them fell asleep despite this being their job), his roommate he's supposed to have for suicide watch is moved out earlier that day without replacement, and two staff members get accused of falsifying records only for the charges to get dropped silently two years after over new years.
Now the one camera that was working has footage released from it only for it to be likely edited video that doesn't even provide a meaningful perspective even if it wasn't edited (so why is it changed and had parts removed? Was something incidentally caught on one of the cameras they didn't shut down?) and a full minute missing along with the other smaller possible cuts, a cut that was completely unmentioned in the inspector general's report but suddenly shows up now. With an excuse that the "missing minute" is a standard reset and the recordings aren't operating at that time yet it now appears to exist according to government leakers.
That same day Epstein was also allowed to make an unmonitored call on a line intended for attorneys only to a non-attorney, with the regional director saying "We don't know what happened on that phone. It could have potentially lead to the incident, but we don't - we will never know" which is another oddity. He claimed he was calling his mother ... his mother has been dead almost two decades before then.
Then afterwards, Epstein's own lawyers contested the official finding and hired their own pathologist who said the injuries were more indicative of homicide by strangulation than normal self hanging.
Then of course we have things like Epstein's sweetheart deal maker Alex Acosta being a literal high level member of the government stepping down only a month before the suicide. Was he distancing himself? Cause that's a mighty odd coincidence too to leave right around that time.
And we get told all sorts of things about having files ready for release, only for them to apparently not actually exist like all the files sitting on Pam Bondi's desk. We have leaks of multiple high level politicians (including the current president refusing to release the records who also resigned over the federal government when Epstein died and hired Acosta earlier) with close connections to him. We have intelligence operatives and high level officials trying hard both directly and indirectly as anonymous sources to deny accusations he was working for them which many powerful people are trying to tout as evidence. Which fair, I expect them to deny if it's not true. But also I expect them to lie if it is true.
Like oh really spy agencies, half your job is to be skilled liars and we're just supposed to take your word for it. People can't be this lacking in self-awareness right? So why do so many of the powerful people with connections to Epstein apparently lack this understanding and think it's compelling counter evidence by itself?
Like obviously none of these things in their own are proof by themselves. If they were, we wouldn't be having a discussion like this we would just say "look at the 100% proof it happened". But a lot of truthful things don't have 100% proof. I'm pretty sure OJ Simpson is a murderer despite not having seen it myself and him being found not guilty. I'm pretty sure Casey Anthony killed her daughter. There's a really strong likelihood Micheal Jackson molested some children. Carole Baskin (although a bit weaker of a suspicion) might have been involved in the disappearance of her husband. None of these have hard conclusive evidence, yet none of these are odd to believe.
And just like those examples, there's a whole lot of weird oddities and coincidences and suspicious behavior around Epstein, his death, and the information on him and his connections that it seems pretty reasonable to suspect his supposed suicide wasn't entirely legit. Outside of 100% proof, how much more would be needed before it stops being "just a conspiracy theory"?
It’s not unlikely that Epstein was “allowed” to kill himself because his attorneys bribed some jail staff, sure. That isn’t what 99% of people online mean when they say there were suspicious circumstances around his death, though.
If “the powers that be” wanted to kill Epstein to prevent him from talking then
(1) They would have been aware in advance of the huge criminal investigation into him and that charges were being prepared, given that it had already involved interviews with dozens of witnesses, and given that the press (notably the Miami Herald) had been reporting on the renewed attention to the case since late 2018.
(2) They would surely have killed him when he was a private citizen and before he was arrested and locked up in a jail in the middle of NYC. Slip some nerve agent or poison into his tea in Paris or London two months before and he dies of natural causes before charges are quietly dropped due to the primary suspect being deceased, happens all the time.
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Even if he had information or secrets to trade, Epstein would only have talked if he could make a deal. There was no deal to be made. The public can occasionally accept mobsters getting out of jail free / a sweetheart deal in exchange for ratting on the whole organization because they’re only involved in a bit of extortion, drug dealing and the occasional murder of their own kind. The public (and it was public and media pressure that led to the Epstein prosecution) was never going to accept someone who allegedly molested hundreds of teenage girls getting a year or two in prison (a second time).
Epstein’s lawyers told him he was going to die in prison and it is very plausible he told them that in that case he wanted to do it now. He had no immediate family other than his brother, no children, no wife, was too toxic for anyone else to visit. What awaited him was a life in solitary (if he was lucky), no sex, no travel, no interesting conversation, no power, no money, plus occasionally getting stabbed like Chauvin when getting moved between his cell and the yard when the prison officers looked the other way. He wasn’t religious in a way that would preclude suicide. It is not highly uncommon for those on bail for serious charges to kill themselves.
"If the conspiracy were true, they would have been a lot smarter about it."
Are you challenging the Retard Hypothesis?
Look this tiny highlight from OP: "yo, imma call my mom" when she’s been dead for two decades? How silly! A high-profile international trafficker would construct a good lie, not a stupid lie. And prison staff would be naturally suspicious, and verify that he was actually calling his mother.
I mean what, is everyone involved just hopelessly retarded?
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The retard hypothesis is generally true, but when alleging an extraordinarily wide-ranging and complex blackmail scheme that involved half the most powerful people in the world, multiple US presidents, royalty, world leaders, many of the richest people in the world (including the richest at that time) and countless government officials, it’s cheap to then retreat into “they were also so dumb that despite this colossal intelligence operation, they had no idea he was being investigated or going to be arrested, or they did and allowed it to happen, escalating into a media circus that increased attention to the case 100x, then killed him afterwards”.
I get what you’re trying to say, but the evidence is overwhelming.
Take Ms Maxwell: she sat around Burgerstan for a year while Epstein was arrested and dragged through the legal system, all while having citizenship in France—a country that has refused to extradite citizens to the US on this very matter. How irredeemably stupid do you have to be to have citizenship in a sanctuary state and just sit around on your ass anyway waiting to be arrested?
Whatever this cabal may be, it’s not an elite pedophile cabal. It’s at best a retarded pedophile cabal. And probably not even that: it seems more like a 17-and-364 days larping-as-a-pedophile cabal. Alan Dershowitz supposedly even kept his underwear on. Can you imagine the blackmail? It’s probably some washed up widow from Latin America whose husband died in a cartel spat lying about her age as she gives this crusty old prune a massage with all the enthusiasm of doing the dishes after Christmas dinner (while Dershowitz giddily thinks this is the hottest thing ever). Now that is blackmail!
And most of the people involved aren’t even blackmail-able in any sensible way. Take Clinton—his involvement seems to have been after his presidency. The fuck are they gonna do, blackmail someone who isn’t even in a position of political power anymore? And what of Dershowitz. He’s a Jew. Is Israel blackmailing the Jews into being Jewish?
All of this is so, so stupid. The reality is rightoid conspiritards fantasize about being ruled by a pedophile cabal because of their latent ancestral memory of living under the Catholic Church—a continent-ruling boylover cabal that was on a mission to breed the world’s most beautiful race. The plan was okay for a while, until it worked too well and Mewtwo escaped his cage, rather confused and devoid of purpose, but nonetheless extremely powerful. Thus the whole scheme came crashing down, and the Catholic Church is now so degraded it doesn’t even remember its own secrets: they have an American pope wearing an Apple Watch at mass.
This is the power of the retard hypothesis.
Maxwell was the fall guy. She’s a soldier and a patriot and could be relied on to tough out fifteen years in the federal pen for the cause. Unlike Epstein who was a flaky hedonist.
Somehow Benjamin Netanyahu knew about Monica Lewinsky before everyone else and attempted to blackmail Clinton with it.
Being Jewish doesn’t automatically make you a die hard supporter of Israel. Norm Finklestein and Ron Unz are Jewish after all. And even if someone is a die hard supporter of Israel, that doesn’t necessarily mean they are going to be willing to dangerous illegal things to help Israel without additional incentive.
If you know anything about Alan Dershowitz, you know that he does not require any blackmail to be outspoken on Israel. Unless it's your contention, of course, that the man has been blackmailed since the 1970s, because Mossad really thinks that getting Dersh to be outspoken on Israel will move the needle among the public even though absolutely no one at the time would have their views on the matter changed because of fucking Alan Dershowitz.
You are sidestepping my assertion. Blackmail isn’t needed to ensure general support. Blackmail is needed to get people to undertake specific illegal or dangerous acts.
And what, pray tell, are the illegal or dangerous acts that Alan Dershowitz has committed on behalf of Mossad?
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