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I recognize that it's a pretty hardline policy. I'm throwing it out as a potential solution to the Lothario problem because every other solution other than "bootstraps" I see as equally outlandish in today's political climate.
I really shouldn't have stated that I was interested in the girl at all, or done any introspection and admitted I was slightly jealous of the guy. Like at @faceh has stated before, even trying to discuss this gets you labeled as an incel.
Replying to this, will also quote the exchange with @Tree to point out why posters are pointing out issues with your perspective.
There's no "lothario problem", pua is literally a dead underground thing and even the few who did go out here probably used tactics from two decades ago.
All "lotharios" are chads as the word Chad was used by incels to describe what pickup artists called naturals, naturals are people who get laid regularly. They don't "damage" women as women explicitly seek such men. Every single piece of smut has a girl vying for a guy who looks like he is a few minutes from beating the breaks off her going by how gruff he is.
They like the lying, they want drama and they'll always choose a guy who gives them drama over Mr nice guy.
No, it's men who allowed emancipation, the one thing you wouldn't blame which has caused all of this.
Good that you are honest
The sex that lies the most ain't the one that fights wars. You have made up a fake dichotomy in your head wherein you have the stereotypical rom com protagonist on one hand and your roommate James on the other. You can't handle James doing what he can since your perception of the world is based on physical attraction and the nice guy things women claim to like. James gets girls because he can cheat, same for all the Chads. Women are damaged because they are allowed to run free, they explicitly want the rolleecoaster of emotions that lotharios offer.
Bedding a girl isn't done via false promises of commitment, lying about commitment is less damaging than the cold blooded women do daily to hundreds of guys, you'd be horrified by what happens in a girls text inbox.
It is outside of historical wheelhouse because emancipation was never a thing in the past, you would have men go to whore houses or have their own harems. Anything beyond tackling the issue of emancipation is misdirection, shotgun marriage cannot work if you cna no fault divorce and alimonycuck your husband with zero consequences.
Your issue isn't some righteous war of ideology, it's bitterness towards your roommates those like him who get women regularly. If you took a step back, you'd realise that he is not at fault here, it's the modern soyciety that allows him to do what he wants. Emancipation isn't going away for a while and I really like meeting new girls, others should do the same.
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Yes, violent fantasies of what you're going to do to Chad and Stacy is standard incel fare. I don't see it as serious discussion of policy.
If it was, I'd say morally it's an evil policy - you need far more, and more tangible evidence of harm, to harm others. Practically, it would require the incels to win against the chads on the battlefield when they couldn't on the football field.
To be completely fair, lots of societies have policed cads. It’s not some drastic never before tried policy.
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The Incels don't need to win against all Chads or even most Chads. The problem is not Chad, it's Lothario. Look, I've said it a billion times on this thread and others, my problem is not with guys who can lock down hotter girls than me (although I would be lying if I said I wasn't jealous). It's with guys who churn through tens or hundreds of girls by lying about their intentions, making those girls slightly less dateable for a healthy Chad, and with standards that make relatively normal dudes invisible. In this case forced marriage, followed by castration when there's adultery, doesn't actually seem that far outside of the historical wheelhouse as a way to rein these guys in.
Your justifications are all over the place and incoherent. They boil down to resentment. Lotharios don't need to lie to those women to sleep with them (what are they, proposing? In this day and age?). And obviously you don't castrate people for not being maximally productive. Nor for being too hot ('make standard dudes invisible').
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Yup.
Its not so much a complaint that the playing field isn't level or fair, "Wahhhh Mommm they aren't sharing the pussy, make them share!"
Its objecting to playing the game this way at all because its making everything worse for everyone involved. Either crack down on the people who are making it suck so much... or make everyone play a different, friendlier, more fun game.
But both complaints read like you're sexually unsuccessful and crying for someone to give you a boost, to the uninformed observer.
If both men and women are allowed to lie, misrepresent their intentions, back out of their agreements, and undercut each other, in other words, to defect without penalty, this is where the game spirals to. And there is no obvious bottom.
Coordination to improve things is fuckin' hard, but it requires people to admit the problems that exist and to being impacted by them. And we can't even get to THAT step without people dogpiling on the ones who admit weakness.
And when the people most capable of effecting and coordinating change are also one of the few ones who benefit from the status quo (high value, somewhat sociopathic dudes), its even harder to shift. They don't see a need to adjust things.
Don't have anything more to add, but just wanted to say that I really appreciate your voice on these topics. You're one of the few posters who actually seems to take suggestions in this sphere seriously, rather than trying to question the psychology or underlying deeper motives of the poster in question. And maybe these are my insecurities talking, but this kind of thing drives me absolutely up the wall. Like yes, I am sure there is a little bit of jealousy involved in my reaction to Lotharios in real life, and my life could be improved by following the PUA handbook a little more, and not caring what women think a little bit more. Yet I fail to see how this reflects on the deeper problems that you and I both are pointing out.
My general policy is to extend maximum charity and assume good faith until proven otherwise.
Funny enough, I used a similar principles when dating, and I get burned for it on occasion.
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