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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 8, 2025

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It is Okay to Think That Charlie Kirk was not Literally Jesus.

Charlie Kirk did not deserve to get shot in the jugular for expressing controversial political opinions. I actually agreed with many of Charlie Kirk's controversial political opinions. The thing about controversial political opinions though, is that lots of people don't like them. If you are a person who does not like Charlie Kirk's political opinions, here are some things that would be perfectly understandable for you to think or feel upon hearing the news that Charlie Kirk was shot and killed:

  • "Charlie Kirk once said gun rights are worth the cost of a few shooting deaths. Kinda funny now huh? I wonder if he's changed his mind."

  • "Sucks he died like that, but I'm kinda glad I don't have to see his tiny face spouting talking points anymore."

  • "Charlie Kirk was a massive hack. I think we should care about the kids shot at that school in Colorado more than him."

  • "Charlie Kirk wanted me kicked out of the country because of my political opinions. It's hard for me to feel bad for him."

To be clear, all of these are tasteless and (in my opinion) poorly thought-out, but they are well within the bounds of civil discourse. None of these are beyond the pale. None of these should get one fired from one's unrelated job. None of these are even close to inciting or advocating for violence.

I was shocked today when I saw a Republican Congressman announce a woke-era pressure campaign againt people who "belittled" the assasination. Apparently I have a much longer memory than many people. I still remember 2020. I still remember George Floyd. It wasn't just the riots, it wasn't just the demonization of physical policing tactics, it was the Orwellian psycholigical tyranny of not being able to express nuanced or contrary feelings about a tragic event. Never again. In a free society, people should be able to express their thoughts and feelings on major events, even if they aren't entirely thought-out or sanitized.

I think a lot of people have just been pushed over the edge by this. It hits all the visceral buttons:

  • he wasn't a politician
  • he came across as a normal guy
  • he had a wife and kids
  • his young kids were in attendance
  • he said things that a lot of people agreed with
  • he was killed at an event that was explicitly aimed to promote (non-violent) dialogue between left and right

Regardless of whether he was a saint or not, I can think of few plausible ways to make this more inflammatory than it already is. It's perfect rage and hate fuel. If it were Fuentes (who is an outrage-baiting dick) or a politician (who we expect willingly take on this risk to some degree) or even some friendly but unmarried talking head whose whole life was politics, people could rationalize it away. But many (myself included) see a guy who is just like them or their husbands or sons, and combined with seeing in Iryna their wives or daughters, it's just too much.

The time for dialogue has been over for some time now, but we have been able to maintain peace because frankly many grillpilled normies had their heads in the sand because facing the truth (risk of Yugoslavia 2.0) was too horrible to contemplate.

But this is impossible for many of them to ignore. Charlie will be sainted, regardless of who the real Charlie Kirk was, because the truth doesn't matter to them anymore. All that matters is winning.

he was killed at an event that was explicitly aimed to promote (non-violent) dialogue between left and right

He was literally shot while a man was trying to convince him that the left was peaceful. I saw a bit of an interview with the guy in question, and the line went "I was trying to make a point about how peaceful the left was (long pause) right before he got shot."

Bit of a backpage story, but holy shit that guy must be enduring some cosmic grade horror.

Bit of a backpage story, but holy shit that guy must be enduring some cosmic grade horror.

Do you really think that? It's definitely a real possibility, but I honestly think it's not likely. If you believe a good point can be made about how peaceful the left is in September 2025 pre-Kirk-murder, then I don't think Kirk's murder, even happening before your very eyes, is likely to cause any cognitive dissonance. There's no shortage of people claiming that this was merely violence in response to violence, i.e. a justified sort of self defense, which is easy for someone to believe doesn't "count" when it comes to someone being "peaceful." I wouldn't be surprised if this person and many other people saw this murder of Kirk plus the current bloodthirsty/callous leftist reaction to it as evidence that the left is actually even more peaceful than they'd previous believed, because [reasons].

He believes it because it already happened.