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Imagine now that half of Oz supports the witch and her policies. Imagine the Munchkins know this. Doesn't that cast their celebration in a different light?
No. The Munchkins were literally the Witch's slaves, and treated quite badly. They had legitimate cause to celebrate her death, and if half of Oz supported the witch, well, the Munchkins kinda fucked but they shouldn't consider the feelings of those people.
Charlie Kirk had no slaves.
Yep my comment makes no sense in the light of the Oz universe. But as analogy to the Charlie Kirk situation, I think it still fits. The democrats aren't "slaves" to Charlie Kirk (maybe you could make this argument about Trump).
Frank Baum has the Wicked Witch of the East rule over the enslaved Munchkins, while the Wicked Witch of the West rules over the Winkies (who I think are made of porcelain?). Macquire the author of Wicked has a much more positive view and sympathetic backstory of the 'Wicked' Witches (but I haven't read and have only seen the first film of Wicked).
The porcelain people are in the south, in Glenda’s domain. The Winkies are their own thing.
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It's more accurate to say that your comment shows how the Oz comparison makes no sense.
(Though it is a useful heuristic for the ITT.)
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Well he did own a lot of college democrats…
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