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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 23, 2023

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IIRC the evidence that DePape was a gay prostitute is non-negligible. The evidence that he was currently working is basically circumstantial.

The evidence he was a red triber is nonexistent.

IIRC the evidence that DePape was a gay prostitute is non-negligible.

What is the evidence, then?

The evidence that he was currently working is basically circumstantial.

What is the evidence, then?

The evidence he was a red triber is nonexistent.

I am not sure I agree.

a. DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party.

DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. DEPAPE also explained generally that he wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE.

"I'm gonna break the kneecaps of the leader of the pack of lies told by the Democratic Party to show politicians that actions have consequences" seems pretty red-tribey to me.

Depape was definitely not red tribe (that’s a cultural label). He may have bought into some red tribe propaganda but ya it’s tough to always be play that nuance.

Depape was definitely not red tribe (that’s a cultural label). He may have bought into some red tribe propaganda but ya it’s tough to always be play that nuance.

I've argued against the more nebulous definitions of Red and Blue before due to the sharp increase in polarization since the original article was written, and I'll argue them again here. If someone is motivated to drastic action by the "pack of lies told by the democratic party", they're either Red Tribe or so deep blue that it should be immediately obvious.

The guy lived in an anarchist cooperative. He’s pretty deep blue.

That doesn’t mean he didn’t buy into right wing propaganda, but he’s obviously not red tribe.

Who cares if he's "red tribe" or not? I thought the whole point of talking about "tribes" was that they don't necessarily correlate to political ideologies.

Curious why are you here? This whole board spends half its time devoted to “pack of lies told by the Democratic Party”

I mean pretty deep conspiracy theorist like I believe George Floyd was just a fentanyl overdose against the Democratic pack of lies.

I'm not sure I'm parsing this comment correctly. Yes, this board spends a lot of its time devoted to "packs of lies told by the Democratic Party". Not coincidentally, people argue a lot over how Red this place is. Scott's original formulation held that Red and Blue were fuzzy cultural groupings, not shorthand for "Democrat" or "Republican", but he wrote that near the beginning of what has been a decade of increasingly overwhelming tribal polarization. "Republican" is a lot more central to Red than it was prior to [insert preferred list of culture war incidents here], and likewise "Democrat" and Blue. Hence NeverTrump, and a host of similar incidents.

I am very Red. I also believe that there is an egregious "pack of lies told by the Democratic Party". That's why I'm suspicious at claims that a guy who attempts to attack a senior Democrat because he thinks she's a lying liar who lies, isn't also Red. Hearing that he apparently lived in an anarchist cooperative is evidence to the contrary, but anarchists aren't exactly central Blues either. He's in California, maybe they were the least-blue he could find.

He was a nudist activist apparently well known in the local gay community who lived in an anarchist cooperative. This sounds more like the blue tribe's most embarrassing members than a red triber. Although he also obviously drank some right wing crazy, that might just be whatever kool-aid is in the water horseshoe theory-ing.

Either way he's clearly not Cletus and Bubba teaming up to git them demo-rats 'fore they mandate pedophilia.

Not necessarily, remember red tribe is not a synonym for conservative or Republican. If Depape is not a truck driving, Nascar watching, rural working class type he is unlikely to be Red tribe. He can be a conservative Blue Triber or something else entirely as Scott's Blue/Red Tribe distinction only really applies to upper/middle class urban/suburban white people and rural/exurban working/lower middle class white people.

There are large chunks of the population who are neither.

If this is what hydroacetylene meant by "red triber" then I am confused by that part of their comment, since as far as I can tell no one in this thread (or anywhere?) has claimed DePape is a red triber by that definition. Rather, I took to be synonymous with the OP's discussion of DePape as a "right wing terrorist."

Right wingers don’t live in anarchist communes.

Thats fair, I missed that. Either his usage was incorrect and he just meant right winger or its a very specific claim which is kind of irrelevant I think.

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