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NYC, Philadelphia and DC suburbs are not bellwethers.
It's obviously fraud, anyway. As of a couple Wikipedia checks, Spanberger is at 1.469 million, Winsome Earle-Sears at 1.156 million. Jones is at 1.483 million to Miyares' 1.375 million. In no world does a man who says "I want you to watch your children die" in the wake of an assassination not have impacted turnout.
This is also mens rea. An organization who backs Jones says "We will cheat if we can."
Saying an election is "obviously fraud" is a very inflammatory claim for which you have provided insufficient evidence to justify just throwing it out there as an "obvious" fact, and claiming the entire Democratic party "will cheat if we can" (because they backed a noxious candidate) is merely booing your outgroup.
Many other people have made more substantive arguments about these issues, for which there is ample ground to criticize Democrats and Jones. Aspire to do likewise.
Inflammatory is perception so I can't say it's not inflammatory, I can say people who think it's inflammatory are wrong.
There aren't substantive arguments to be made here. It's not an argument to say "They don't think he means it," I'd apply this generally, but it is objectively false to take that angle in the wake of the assassination of Charlie Kirk and (1) the glee of leftists on social media and (2) the utterly unapologetic media coverage, culminating in Jimmy Kimmel blood libeling the right and keeping his job.
There are exactly two possible conclusions from Jones winning his election.
On point 1, we have the following justifications.
(A): Those of the constituency who didn't know the man they voted for wished death on the child of a state nobody; too ignorant to make decisions on the future.
(B): Those of the constituency who thought he wasn't serious, see: Kirk, an inexcusable naivety; too foolish to make necessary decisions on the future.
(C): Those of the constituency who liked what he said. There are only two further steps on the ratchet from Jones' remarks, I have frequently explained here how it's not actually time for action, this is, those who have no problem with him wishing horror on a state nobody, psychopaths; this group should be put in prison. The current step on the ratchet is enough for the DOJ to three-felonies-a-day Jones; the next step, "Won't someone rid me of these meddlesome children" if ignored would be cause to dismantle the organization backing such a figure, as the last step is war.
On point 2, the government is currently guilty of fraud in 100% of elections where it cannot prove itself free of fraud. The people are under no obligation to prove a crime committed by the government; the government is obligated to prove it hasn't committed a crime. By philosophy and by precedent, the government has no claim to a right against self-incrimination and the adverse inference may be exercised. The inability to prove itself free of fraud may be concluded as definitive evidence of fraud. We have the ability to have ballots with established and sufficiently anonymized provenance, our continued failure to implement such a system must only be because it would impede fraud.
And I'll say also, a fair reading of my original post would be understood as anti-inflammatory. No, it's not that 1,791,589 Virginians are a mix of inexcusable fools and psychopaths, it's that the machine stole the election, and in fact the vast majority of dems had a problem with Jones' remarks.
You don't get to say what he said. It is truly that simple, everything less than disenfranchisement or fraud is rationalizing. Tribalism? Yeah, radicalize the reds even further, great plan. "Economy" He was running for state AG. State AG. The position in the top 5 of the 100% of offices it disqualifies him from holding.
Yes, inflammatory is perception. My perception, as the mod who makes these decisions, is that claiming an election was "obviously fraud" is inflammatory. An example of an "inflammatory" statement is a highly-charged partisan statement that the other party is certainly not going to agree with, which claiming that an election was "obviously fraud" obviously is.
I am not making a judgment as to whether or not what you said was true. Maybe the election was fraudulent. Maybe it wasn't. You're free to argue that.
You are not prohibited from making inflammatory statements, like claiming that an election was fraud, or even "obviously" fraud.
What you are prohibited from doing is making an assertion like that and not providing sufficient evidence or reasoning to back up the assertion.
Assumptions that "this couldn't possibly happen because it doesn't fit my model of how the world works" are not sufficient evidence or reasoning, though the expanded version you posted above would probably have been sufficient to avoid being dinged for a bald inflammatory assertion. "I think this election was obviously fraud because here's why I cannot believe it could have been otherwise" is still inflammatory, but it is backed by why you believe that. "I think this election was obviously fraud because duh!" is not.
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Where are you getting these numbers, I checked just now at 10:53 New York time and found:
The pages for the elections
They've updated now -- Spanberger at 1,967,646 and Jones at 1,791,589
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Pure 100% copium. The Democrats have installed themselves as the default for voters in the US, and they only lose when they're doing something actively, obviously terrible (like transing the kids, or perhaps running a senile candidate) at the moment.
They certainly have.
As above, the claim that, now, 9 in 10 dems have no problem with "I want your children to die" is a conclusion not found in reality. That is not the United States of 2025. If the demo had been inculcated with that degree of animus, the rate of leftist violence would be higher. There have been the handful of loud examples but they are a handful, nothing systemic, and if the suggestion is they're successfully moderating extreme elements, they would have taken the loss on forcing Jones out.
The conclusion found in reality is an unimpeded fraud machine, as most demonstrated by the massive changes in blue voting in Florida under DeSantis.
By that logic, now, 9 in 10 Republicans have no problem with grabbing women by the pussy and the rate of sexual assault among Republicans should be higher. Sure, there are a handful of loud examples, but nothing systemic. the only conclusion, then is a MASSIVE FRAUD machine that got Trump elected twice.
FTFY. And it's 9 in 10 Democrats too, as evidenced by Bill Clinton's continued popularity, and the way most boomers of either side celebrate the rock stars of the 60s-80s.
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Okay. 9 in 10 Republicans have no problem with sexual assault. 9 in 10 Democrats have no problem with wanting their opponents murdered.
It was a wrong thing you did here, to present these as comparable.
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My understanding of polling is that the bellwether effect here isn't that Dems won NYC and other urban areas, it's that you can track over time election margins to determine the relative change in how a party or candidate performs. People who follow these things closely seem to believe that these results are indicative of a bad environment for the GOP. I don't know of any obvious proof of fraud that I've seen, however there of course could be.
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