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What are you envisioning here? Are police going to refuse to make arrests for crimes? What crimes? Prosecutors refuse to file charges? Judges going to toss cases? Are you under the impression all parts of the justice system today think every law they enforce is just? I am very skeptical that is the case.
What do you think is going to happen?
Depends. If the issue is most prevalent on a state-by-state basis, I think we see Police quit and move to more favorable jurisdictions., which worsens the crime issues in the Blue areas, which either 'forces' a political correction, or it spirals into decay a la Detroit.
Likewise, why, do you suppose, did Military recruitment surge in 2025 after literally hitting an all-time-low in 2022 under Biden?
Guys choosing to simply not join military/police forces would be enough to undermine a government's legitimacy in a given territory.
I think we see a political figure arise who notices and exploits the disconnect between the political priorities of the government and the actual political grievances expressed by a majority of men.
I think we should be very hopeful that its J.D. Vance or a guy like him. Vance clearly NOTICES the issue, and he's good at credibly establishing himself as "one of the guys."
Whether Vance will exploit this to the hilt remains to be seen.
But someone will.
I also think that an economic contraction will re-assert some 'reality' to the discourse, should it occur. We had a long era of economic growth post the 2008 crash and the Zero-Interest-Rate era. Plus the Covid Hiring boom.
lotta people getting laid off from cushy jobs, in many cases maybe the only real career-type jobs they've ever held. Women might finally, F-I-N-A-L-L-Y be required to either suffer from economic destitution or make some concessions to men to obtain the support of a good one.
If they can't marry a corporation who will take care of all their needs, and the Federal Government, for once, isn't bending over backwards to accommodate their complaints, well, the default fallback is probably either prostitution or marriage. And there's already a lot of prostitutes.
I do personally expect things to get worse before they get better.
Without @HereAndGone's snarkiness: why do so many of you salivate at the thought of women being forced to sexually service someone they don't want in order to eat? Yes, this was the norm in earlier ages. Those ages sucked a lot for almost everyone, given that the average person lived a precarious existence at best.
To desire a return to the sort of civilization in which you can get a woman because her survival literally depends on you does not seem to me like a normal, healthy thing to desire in a society with abundance enough that most people shouldn't have to consider starvation or enslavement a realistic possibility.
Even if this worked, would you not always be living with that gnawing awareness that she's only with you out of necessity? That you're literally just the next best thing to starvation?
It seems to me to not only be a spiteful and misogynistic attitude, but one utterly lacking in self respect.
It's a spiteful and misogynistic attitude, but the alternative you imply isn't good either -- that women get to eat through the efforts of men that they provide absolutely nothing for. His attitude is pro-rape; that alternative is slavery.
Are those truly the only two alternatives you can conceive of? You are literally incapable of envisioning, or observing, relationships between men and women that are not slavery?
That is indeed horrifying.
Everything discussed tends to boil down to one or the other, and becoming horrified over noticing that doesn't change it.
In particular, when you say we're a society with abundance enough that most people shouldn't have to consider starvation a realistic possibility, you're glossing over the fact that that abundance is still being provided by people. And to provide for those who cannot or will not provide for themselves requires taking from those who can. So male incels have to work to pay the taxes for e.g. the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children. That you find that normal and just and proper, they clearly find horrifying themselves.
Allow me to express my skepticism that these miserable "incels" whining that they are incapable of attracting a woman without compulsion are in fact the productive members of society suffering for the benefit of others.
You also, as per usual, make unfounded assumptions about what I find normal and proper and would actually agree to, given a choice.
Be that as it may, let's say we agree to cut every form of charity and allow non producers to starve. That still doesn't put every female under your boot, especially not the desirable ones. They'll still mostly have jobs. So you need to go well beyond cutting off benefits for non producers.
The black pillers and Dread Jim fanboys do not have some clear eyed view of sexual relations and how civilization is supposed to work. Dread Jim doesn't even get Islamic society right when he's ranting about it, and they are about the closest to implementing his ideals in the modern world.
Yes, I am in fact horrified to notice some people are unironically endorsing rape and enslavement. Libertarian cavils about welfare notwithstanding.
Actually, horrified is too strong a word. It suggests I still have the capacity to be morally offended and shocked. I've known for quite a while there are people this base. I'm just disappointed at all the masks coming off as we gyre.
Jobs doing what, exactly?
Taking this scenario at face value, there are exactly zero NGO jobs. There are dramatically fewer government jobs, at all levels. If you allow for private, voluntary, charity in your scenario, that would save some of the NGO sector but it would certainly be drastically reduced.
I’ll call private sector marketing and PR type jobs a wash, because the drop in consumption from the absence of government charity might be counterbalanced by the increase in people’s take home pay.
I would argue that government charity is the only thing that makes HR jobs viable, but because it exists as a result of legislation that is not technically charity in a monetary sense, the HR ladies are saved.
Big, big cuts in the education world, because all the government education grants are gone. Most of these job losses will have to fall on the admin side of education, because as bad as teachers can be, they are still actually the ones providing the service.
Healthcare takes a hit, as fewer people go to the doctor in the absence of massive federal subsidies. Again, this mostly hits the admin, so doctor and nurse jobs are probably mostly safe.
There are no more corporate or farm subsidies, so everybody in those sectors has to get real lean and mean and actually identify their chaff, in the style of Musk taking over Twitter. Again, this is mostly going to fall on admin type jobs, not the wrench turning ones. And while I’ve met many tough as nails cowgirls out here in the Intermountain West, I’ve met four times as many tough as nails cowboys.
There’s a reason HR is something like 80% women and plumbing is 96% dudes, despite master plumbers making more money than HR managers, on average. Plumbing is actually hard work and women, even accounting for tough as nails cowgirls, mostly don’t want to do that.
Basically, in this scenario, are you predicting some sort of exodus of women from laptop jobs to Rosie the Riveter work? Because the only reason that worked the first time is that there was a dramatically reduced number of men available to do that work. You might notice that women have not staged a massive takeover of the factory floors in the intervening years, despite being given every opportunity. Even in software and data and AI, classic sit at a desk jobs, they are huge minorities!
In the absence of the current situation of massive (forced) government charity, there would be far, far fewer jobs that women would view as acceptable and high status enough to be worth doing. I think they would find other, similar things to occupy their time. For example, remote entrepreneurship, possibly. Women have been doing “Work from Home” since Eve.
Anyway, I am confident that this scenario, as you have presented it, would be both a better world to live in and also not a world where women are constantly being beaten and raped while barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
I, for one, think the evidence is that they would in fact be happier.
That's not the scenario the "Make women property again" fanboys are advocating.
I think there are problems with your economic assumption that basically our entire infrastructure is running on top of welfare and without it there will be almost zero female employment (this was, in fact, not the case in previous centuries), but you seem to ignore the quiet part being said out loud. They don't want women being happy and married. Reread some of those posts again. They literally consider all women to be hypergamous whores whose toxic sexual impulses can only be constrained with force or threat of starvation. This isn't 'convince women they'd be happier in more traditional roles." It's not even "Kinder, kuche, kirche." It's unironic hatred.
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