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Allow me to express my skepticism that these miserable "incels" whining that they are incapable of attracting a woman without compulsion are in fact the productive members of society suffering for the benefit of others.
You also, as per usual, make unfounded assumptions about what I find normal and proper and would actually agree to, given a choice.
Be that as it may, let's say we agree to cut every form of charity and allow non producers to starve. That still doesn't put every female under your boot, especially not the desirable ones. They'll still mostly have jobs. So you need to go well beyond cutting off benefits for non producers.
The black pillers and Dread Jim fanboys do not have some clear eyed view of sexual relations and how civilization is supposed to work. Dread Jim doesn't even get Islamic society right when he's ranting about it, and they are about the closest to implementing his ideals in the modern world.
Yes, I am in fact horrified to notice some people are unironically endorsing rape and enslavement. Libertarian cavils about welfare notwithstanding.
Actually, horrified is too strong a word. It suggests I still have the capacity to be morally offended and shocked. I've known for quite a while there are people this base. I'm just disappointed at all the masks coming off as we gyre.
Ah, Just Worlding rears its ugly head. Apparently no one could actually be economically productive and still suffer from lackanooky.
But not horrified to notice that you are endorsing enslavement, because you refuse to notice.
You're getting increasingly lazy in your argumentation. It's not "Just worlding" to notice the correlation between NEET gooners and incels. Is every single incel a non producer? No, but the flattering cope that by and large they are producers unfairly providing for whores who won't give them nooky doesn't correlate to any honest observation.
As for enslavement, what I notice is that you have reduced the argument to "Failure to enslave and rape women means enslavement of men." I'm not sure that is the position you intended to back into. I'm also not sure it's not. But it's certainly a Kulak-based take. Fascinating.
Let's say you're right and I'm failing to be horrified by enslavement of men because I don't notice it. (I reject your flawed logic, but let's suppose it holds, for the sake of argumen.) Are you claiming that believing women should be enslaved and raped is more moral because you admit noticing that's what you're endorsing?
If not every single incel is a non producer, then this argument applies to at least one incel, and dismissing it with "skepticism" is indeed just-worlding.
Certainly I have not reduced it to that. You can just not enslave the men. In fact, even if you enslave some women you haven't stopped enslaving the men.
Have you seen the meme that goes:
Man: "The average women is 5'4." Woman: "But I'm 5'8" though."
You're doing the meme.
Great, we both agree you shouldn't enslave people. Why did it take you so long to get there?
I don't think you have the data to say that the average incel is a NEET gooner. But even if you did, the average doesn't matter; those incels who are not NEET gooners would still have a valid objection.
Why can't you get there? Or do you think only women are people? The incels have a problem, and some have an awful solution for it. You just want them to suck it up (and actually they don't have a problem anyway because they're just NEET gooners)
I want incels who can't get laid to suck it up (or improve their situation), yes.
Their "awful solution" is that women should be forced to have sex with them or starve. You are arguing that if I reject that awful solution, I am endorsing male slavery. How did you get there?
I am erwgv3g34, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a producer not entitled to his own mid? "No!" says the PUA, "she belongs to Chad." "No!" says the feminist, "she belongs to herself." "Yes!" says the Churchian, "but only after she hits the wall." I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... patriarchy, a system where the beta would not fear divorce, where the incel would not be shut out of the sexual marketplace, where fertility would not crash below replacement! And with the crime of your thought, patriarchy can become your system as well.
Why are you reviving a week-old thread?
Okay, I'll play:
All your answers are straw men, and they begin with the word "entitled."
Children are entitled to be cared for by their parents. Citizens are entitled to certain rights.
Beyond that, nobody is entitled to much of anything. You have to earn what you want in life. That is the human condition. You have to earn food. You have to earn shelter. You have to earn sex.
Nobody is entitled to a wife, a husband, a relationship. Because entitled implies someone else is obligated to give it to you.
Saying you are entitled to a "mid" as you put it implies that somewhere out there is a woman who is obligated to fuck you, and you exclusively. Who is she? How are we to locate her? By what means do you propose this involuntary fuckable be provided to you?
Patriarchy, you say? But even under patriarchy, you'd have to impress some girl's father enough to be willing to give her to you. Even if you want to DreadJimmax and say women are property, you are just transferring the obligation upwards: somewhere out there is a man who's obligated to give you his daughter to fuck.
Also note that under most real-world patriarchies, fathers still tended to have some affection for their daughters and would not give them to a man who truly repulsed her and seemed likely to make her miserable. And those patriarchies that do treat women as literal commodity goods in that fashion are pretty fucking miserable places to live for everyone!
What do you have to offer that would convince any decent father who cares for his daughter's well-being to give her to you?
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