This weekly roundup thread is intended for all culture war posts. 'Culture war' is vaguely defined, but it basically means controversial issues that fall along set tribal lines. Arguments over culture war issues generate a lot of heat and little light, and few deeply entrenched people ever change their minds. This thread is for voicing opinions and analyzing the state of the discussion while trying to optimize for light over heat.
Optimistically, we think that engaging with people you disagree with is worth your time, and so is being nice! Pessimistically, there are many dynamics that can lead discussions on Culture War topics to become unproductive. There's a human tendency to divide along tribal lines, praising your ingroup and vilifying your outgroup - and if you think you find it easy to criticize your ingroup, then it may be that your outgroup is not who you think it is. Extremists with opposing positions can feed off each other, highlighting each other's worst points to justify their own angry rhetoric, which becomes in turn a new example of bad behavior for the other side to highlight.
We would like to avoid these negative dynamics. Accordingly, we ask that you do not use this thread for waging the Culture War. Examples of waging the Culture War:
-
Shaming.
-
Attempting to 'build consensus' or enforce ideological conformity.
-
Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.
-
Recruiting for a cause.
-
Posting links that could be summarized as 'Boo outgroup!' Basically, if your content is 'Can you believe what Those People did this week?' then you should either refrain from posting, or do some very patient work to contextualize and/or steel-man the relevant viewpoint.
In general, you should argue to understand, not to win. This thread is not territory to be claimed by one group or another; indeed, the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here. Thus, we also ask that you follow some guidelines:
-
Speak plainly. Avoid sarcasm and mockery. When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.
-
Be as precise and charitable as you can. Don't paraphrase unflatteringly.
-
Don't imply that someone said something they did not say, even if you think it follows from what they said.
-
Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.
On an ad hoc basis, the mods will try to compile a list of the best posts/comments from the previous week, posted in Quality Contribution threads and archived at /r/TheThread. You may nominate a comment for this list by clicking on 'report' at the bottom of the post and typing 'Actually a quality contribution' as the report reason.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
You've never seen those Twitter posts of jews shit-talking white people, identifying as white when and only when they can derive an advantage from it? I've show you a picture, but for some reason I can't find them on Google. Do you know how annoying it is to dig up any information which has a slight right-wing bias? Every search engine will actively work against you. I will find examples if you really want to see them, though.
Also, old conspiracy theories always mention the jews.
By now, you should have learned that most conspiracy theories were true. Here's some older theories (pre-2000):
Some people are trying to destroy gender and make society uni-sex.
Women are tricked into believing that they should be career-oriented rather than family-oriented. That they should be independent.
The elites are looking into population-control and depopulation programs.
A group that Conspiracy theorists call "the illuminati" wants a one-world-government (Anew world order).
Christianity and Christian values are under attack (this used to be blamed on satanists, freemasonists, and communists, but does it matter what we call those behind it?)
That Homosexuality is pathological and correlates with most forms of sexual deviancy (like pedophilia).
That muslims won't integrate into the western society, but merely lay low until they make up a good chunk of the population, only to then promote their own religious values aggressively while being intolerant of ours.
Most of the conspiracies that I saw on the internet as a child, most of which I doubted were true, are currently unfolding. So why would I not give these skizos of old the benefit of doubt about jews? They were right about basically everything else. Also, many of these issues are old, they all go back to the 50s if not earlier. Even transsexualism is old. For instance, look into Magnus Hirschfeld - an Ashkenazi Jew and sexologist who promoted LGBTQ doing the Weimar Republic.
Personally, I dislike jews because so many of them are dishonest. Ben Shapiro for instance, disgust me. And can you blame people for being angry that "America first" turned into "Israel first"?
Where do you think anti-white thought originate? It is at the very least strongly supported by the media, and there's a lot of jews working for the media.
And also the posts of jews who do not. But these are usually not counted, for some reason.
I have learned that a person who yells out at every minute that it is 13:56 might be correct at least once every day, but he can't be relied on to tell the time.
The distinguishing feature of schizos is not that they believe that there's a They who want to do Something (most normies believe some form of that, and it is not surprising or significant that if Jews are highly represented in philosophy and politics in general, they will also be highly represented in evil philosophy and evil politics). It is that the schizo's fixation is all-consuming and all evidence against it is merely more evidence in favor to him.
That's like saying "Not all gay people are promiscuous". A tendency is bad enough.
I think more than 50% of classic conspiracies have come true. Many of the ridiculus counter-examples you're probably aware of were never real theories, but rather satire meant to mock conspiracies. They probably did get "vaccines cause autism" wrong, though. "Q anon" and "flat earth" are also trivially wrong. The chemtrail claims come from geo-engineering, which do occur, and they do add chlorine to tap water. Jews also do inflate numbers in order to victimize themselves further.
I was once told that a great way to humble oneself was to attempt to predict the future. If your world model isn't accurate, your predictions will be way off. Yet many of these "crazy" conspiracy theorist correctly predicted many of the issues which are currently happening. Instead of preventing these developments, people mocked them or claimed that they weren't happening. How many loops do we need? It didn't even take a genius to know that Muslims wouldn't respect western culture, the first person who told me that would happen was about 12 years old.
You're making this out to be about cognitive biases and false positives in thinking, but I think it has nothing to do with that. The reason people don't believe in conspiracy theories is because they've been branded "low social status", so you'll have as much success explaining them as you'll have explaining that being sexually attracted to 16-year-olds isn't unnatural nor pedophilia. It doesn't matter how correct you are. It also doesn't matter how incorrect people are when they say that HBD isn't real, or that mass-immigration is beneficial. Ideologues have a lot in common with religious people
The median chemtrail theorist says or implies that They are gassing people, with nefarious purposes. Not geo-engineering. That's what I'm getting at.
It doesn't take a genius to see that the Muhammad boy you know doesn't respect your culture and to repeat what adults are saying about Muslims, but that's not the same thing as knowing.
It absolutely matters how correct you are, because if someone actually decides to brave the low status and investigate, and the first thing they notice is that you were blatantly incorrect about the parts of the theory that are the easiest to investigate, many people are going to assume that the low status designation was correct. You have to lead with the parts of your theory that are undeniable. Schizos don't.
The theorists I remember do mention weather manipulation, but their main criticism is that they're spraying toxic chemicals. That the trails which come after planes aren't just regular water vapor, but some kind of chemical, and that these lines covering the sky used to go away faster when they were young. When these conspiracies were booming, you could frequently see the sky almost covered by contrails, which doesn't seem to happen much anymore. There's fewer lines now, and they disappear more quickly.
It wasn't a muslim, it was an European who had read the Quran and concluded that muslims migrating to Europe were doing so in order to take it over. That they'd prioritize their religion over our culture and laws. That they'd exploit our good-will. And the prediction was pretty spot on
Do you know of zero popular beliefs which are trivially wrong? Do you really need an investigation to tell that the vast majority of the best scientists the world has seen are men? Do you need an investigation to recognize that men are generally stronger than women? That A person from Sweden is quite a lot smarter than a person from Africa? That third-world immigrants engage in about 10 times more violent crime than natives?
All you need to know that the current world is completely crazy is a memory of the past. "Sticks and stones may break my bones" is a children's rhyme. We used to teach literal children not to be offended by words, and now we're arresting adults because other adults cannot handle their words. It's pathetic, and every person who knows anything about mental development should be able to see it at a glance. But as universities are far-left, these so-called experts construct a blind-spot against this observation. Neither Education nor Science defend against stupid beliefs, so why would an investigation? Here's the fully sourced chronological story of GamerGate. How many knows it exist? What difference did it make?
People get used to whatever is the case currently, and then they consider it "normal". This proves that the common perception of the world is relative rather than absolute. In other words, if society had entirely different beliefs, then the consensus of scientists would "investigate" and find those beliefs to be true. None of it is rooted in any objective reality, as people largely don't care about objective reality.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
If Jews don't count as an identity bloc operating in their own interest then literally no one does. Like yes we know that every random Jewish podiatrist or whatever doesn't work for AIPAC or something, people can quit telling us like we're supposed to suddenly turn around in wonder and say "gee whiz I guess it really isn't literally every Jew, I love Israel now!"
It's a trifling observation that's only significant by way of how little you see it made in reference to any other groups. We can speak collectively of whites, blacks, whatever all day and no one ever feels the need to do this particular dance.
Blacks are even more of a political bloc than Jews. But no one claims the NAACP in engaging in some conspiracy to sell out the country to Wakanda or something.
More options
Context Copy link
If I called out every time someone spoke excessively collectively of whites and blacks here (mostly blacks) I'd literally be here all day.
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
Yeah I don't understand why some people blame jews for social justice bullshit. Plenty of non-white people and non-jew white people are all about identity politics.
You can find plenty of thought leaders of any demographics advocating both for and against this stuff, and tactically it seems like a bad move because the anti-Israel component was inevitable and is now incredibly strong.
If this was some sneaky conspiracy it wasn't a genius one.
They are ideologically at the center of it, at least in academia. Feminism, critical-whatever subversive studies, internationalist nonsense. You read enough theory and the early life section becomes old hat.
More options
Context Copy link
They use the same feminine tactics, e.g. victim mentality. They're also over-represented in important universities (which now have a strong left-wing bias) and of course, they're big on banking, and the entire financial system is basically one big scam, which has been rather obvious for over 150 years now
But yes, politics in general is rather awful, and most people who make politics a big part of their life are awful.
Anti-semitism is becoming more common and this is a direct consequence of jewish actions, but I think it only adds legitimacy to their victim complex (which may be the goal). At this rate, they might not have to spray paint swastikas on their own synagogues anymore!
Holocaust denial is becoming illegal in more and more countries, even though such a law is in conflict with fundamental human rights. It's easier to get away with criticizing white men than jews (they're less protected), so jews are still in a stronger position. Don't merely judge the strength of a group by how much of a "minority" they are, those who are actually oppressed are never recognized as such
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link