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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c058lp086zvo
That is definitely a foreign directed strike against Zelensky - but I always thought that the anti corruption services were EU puppets and US, so not sure what and why is behind it, and why exactly in this moment.
There seems to be great pressure mounting to force Ukraine leadership to sign whatever rag of a document is presented to them and let the whole thing be over.
If they're US puppets, this is pretty much something you'd expect given [people in US administration have been explicitly advising Putin aides how to get the most favorable response from Trump.
I was never able to understand what the issue with that advice thing was. Except that it has Trump in the sentence. As if no one has ever advised Zelensky how to talk with Trump.
Or just people have invested so much of their identity and prestige in the whole Ukraine situation that for them any deal that is good for Russia is treason towards US.
Maybe they did, but it certainly looks like he didn't listen. If Trump indeed were so easy to manipulate - I'd expect Zelensky, having not many other levers, to solicit every advice in existence on how to do that and manipulate the heck out of him. But that doesn't seem to be happening.
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