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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 8, 2025

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You and what occupational army?

The Americans were worn out by a decade trying to occupy a country of 30 million when they had the ability to walk in from friendly buildup areas at the outset. Occupying a country of 1,300 million is just a wee bit beyond the capacity of the modern United States, even without the literal and figurative fallout of a nuclear war.

If a nuclear exchange has happened, there are no longer 1.3 million Chinese. Not even close. We have more than 10 times as many nukes as they do, and if they launched even one of theirs at us then we would have launched most of ours in response. Second, we’d most likely partition it like we did Germany, I imagine Australia taking a bite, Japan and Korea taking some large bites, and probably India will jump in and take most of western China once it’s clear the CCP is about to lose.

If a nuclear exchange has happened, there are no longer 1.3 million Chinese.

I think you meant "billion" here; I would expect high Chinese casualties, likely over half a billion if they don't surrender immediately, but not >99.9%.

if they launched even one of theirs at us then we would have launched most of ours in response.

Nah, it wouldn't take that many.

The US didn't occupy Japan proper, and would have no need to occupy China proper after a literal nuclear war. If the US is in a position to demand peace, it means the PRC no longer has nuclear capability while the US does, and that means the US gets to write a new constitution for China in its capital. Or we continue the nuking; we've done exactly that before. The remaining Chinese aren't going to fight to the last man for the integrity of the PRC.

The occupation took place AFTER the surrender; that is, it was (mostly) not a contested occupation as @Dean is suggesting would be necessary. Same thing for China in the unlikely event there's a nuclear war that they decisively lose.

I think the word you're looking for is "invasion" rather than "occupation", then. The USA invaded and occupied Germany, but only occupied Japan.

@Dean's usually fairly precise with his terminology; I believe he was specifically raising concerns over the USA's ability to occupy China - concerns which I share to at least some extent. Invading China is a completely-different kettle of fish, and one I dismissed out of hand in my first reply in this chain ("Rule 2 of war": "do not go fighting with your land armies in China"); I don't think Dean was even entertaining that idea.

Indeed I was not. I view it about as dimly/lacking in competence as I do the nuclear holocaust scenario. And you are correct in that I was referring to the occupational role alone.

I can absolutely model a nuclear exchange scenario between the US and China, but 'we're going to nuclear genocide 99% of the population and impose a new constitution like this is post-WW2 Japan and no one will resist it like Japan' is enough of a difference in starting positions that I felt it better to simply not to return to the topic.

If Dean was talking about occupation, it doesn't make sense; we occupied Japan after they surrendered and allowed Eisenhower to write their new Constitution.

Regardless of the terminology, I stand by the claim. If, after a nuclear exchange, the US is in a position to dictate terms to the PRC -- which basically means we still have nuclear capability and they don't -- then the US will be able to (and almost certainly will) re-write their constitution and the remaining Chinese will not do anything about it. Their official armies will have surrendered (and if they don't, the nuking continues) and there will be little enough insurgency that US forces will be able to handle it. The bulk of the Chinese are not going to be fanatical supporters of the PRC. As in Japan, almost certainly much of the mechanism of government below the national level will remain largely intact -- the US is too small to directly administer China. But not to dismantle the PRC.