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PaperclipPerfector  5d ago (text post)   2475 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for December 19, 2025

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It's amazing to me that Jake Paul, a person I've only been peripherally aware of, has managed to reinvent professional wrestling from first principles, and make absurd money doing so.

For those blissfully unaware, Paul is a former disney channel actor and youtube personality who started setting up tomato-can pro boxing matches some years back, and slowly worked his way up through a series of has-beens to grandpa Mike Tyson. Whether those fights were on the level and he just won against bad opponents, or if they were works, is a matter of debate. Last night he organized a fight with a real contender, former heavyweight champ and olympic medalist Anthony Joshua, a fight that Paul was in no way qualified for, and in which he would certainly be murdered if Joshua chose. But, a fight for which each fighter stands to make around $90,000,000.

I feel like a crazy person seeing twitter fill with people gloating that Paul lost. As though that hasn't been the goal of building him up as a heel for years now, to set up a huge cash in when he faced a real boxer and people tuned in to watch him lose. That's always been the way of professional wrestling, build up a heel, make him win so that people hate him and tune in to watch him lose, until it's time for the big moment.

And people BET ON IT. This is like betting on the outcome of a TV show. How are gambling commissions allowing that to happen?

The phrase is overused, but generational wealth was produced in this spectacle. And I feel like I understand the past better. It was a classic "dumb guy" trait in TV and movies when I was a kid, especially older stuff, that stupid people believed that professional wrestling was real. And now I'm seeing people, many of them otherwise intelligent fight sport observers I follow, act like Paul's rejiggered version of professional wrestling is real. And they think they're the clever ones.

Jake Paul beat Ben Askren. Why is Anthony Joshua a real contender but Ben Askren isn't?

Jake Paul beat Tyron Woodley twice. Why is Anthony Joshua a real contender but Tyron Woodley isn't?

Jake Paul beat Nate Diaz. Why is Anthony Joshua a real contender but Nate Diaz isn't?

It's been years of, "Jake/Logan Paul are decent amateurs, but they have no chance in this next fight is against a real athlete," and then Paul knocks the guy out. Would you have predicted beforehand that this is exactly where Jake Paul's career would plateau?

You possess no knowledge on this subject. That's fine, most people don't. But no one who does has been especially surprised by the actual outcome of any of Jake Paul's fights. He's defeated some over-the-hill MMA guys, the elderly husk of Tyson, and even a couple of random journeyman boxers here and there, but then he fought an actual serious world-tier heavyweight and got crushed.

That said, personally I really don't mind him. Honestly for how late he got started on the sport he's not bad, and the slobs he's fought are the type lots of guys start out fighting, especially guys without amateur experience. He might be some kind of edgelord by YouTube standards but until he rapes someone or gets some mob ties he's still a cuddlebug by boxing standards.

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